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Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:52 pm Good post.

To me, the last few years have highlighted the gaps in our democracy. If you get in you can more or less do what the hell you want. Scary times.

Mikero wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:41 pm Sometime ago someone asked why there was a fascination with all things Trump. My opinion was that things were happening that had parallels in the inter war years and these should be taken as a warning. The latest is the appearance of a private army on the streets of Washington DC. They kitted out in military equipment and weapons but without any badges, insignia or numbers. When asked by the press who they are they will only say they work for the Justice Department. So the Attorney 'General' really has an army to command. They are thought to be made up of Prison Department Swat teams, Border force officers and possibly FBI squads, the problem is they have no warrant to do anything. How does this work with DC Police? Who takes presidence? Answers need to be found before anyone else is killed.

At least the Police have name and number badges, although there are reports of badges now being covered up. Thus they can be recorded and their excessive actions reported, but how do you do that when they are all wearing dark glasses and Covid masks? So will it be open season on protesters? If any of the bands of people wandering around US cities in military gear carrying hand guns and rifles decide to 'uphold law and order' what is there to stop them?

This is clearly an echo of the thirties with uniformed political groups trying to dominate local populations. My father and his cousin went to East London to stop Mosely's Black Shirts marching through Jewish districts. In Germany they became armed and held sway over local Police forces and we all know how that ended.

Obviously Trump is dangerous, not in a machiavellion, plotting way but as an insecure narcissist who reacts to criticism and failure with the stamping foot of a truculent five year old. The only problem is this five year old now has a private army of his own and they are not toy soldiers.

Mikero

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:42 pm When the police are defunded or even disbanded in the States as some people are demanding, will these type of army's take their place. ?

Orient_Man_And_Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:49 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:42 pm When the police are defunded or even disbanded in the States as some people are demanding, will these type of army's take their place. ?

Who needs the Police when the average citizen can walk along a public street packing an assault rifle and enough ammo to put a Hollywood blockbuster to shame.

I fear it’s gonna end in tears with this unstable guy in charge.

Mikero wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:41 pm Sometime ago someone asked why there was a fascination with all things Trump. My opinion was that things were happening that had parallels in the inter war years and these should be taken as a warning. The latest is the appearance of a private army on the streets of Washington DC. They kitted out in military equipment and weapons but without any badges, insignia or numbers. When asked by the press who they are they will only say they work for the Justice Department. So the Attorney 'General' really has an army to command. They are thought to be made up of Prison Department Swat teams, Border force officers and possibly FBI squads, the problem is they have no warrant to do anything. How does this work with DC Police? Who takes presidence? Answers need to be found before anyone else is killed.

At least the Police have name and number badges, although there are reports of badges now being covered up. Thus they can be recorded and their excessive actions reported, but how do you do that when they are all wearing dark glasses and Covid masks? So will it be open season on protesters? If any of the bands of people wandering around US cities in military gear carrying hand guns and rifles decide to 'uphold law and order' what is there to stop them?

This is clearly an echo of the thirties with uniformed political groups trying to dominate local populations. My father and his cousin went to East London to stop Mosely's Black Shirts marching through Jewish districts. In Germany they became armed and held sway over local Police forces and we all know how that ended.

Obviously Trump is dangerous, not in a machiavellion, plotting way but as an insecure narcissist who reacts to criticism and failure with the stamping foot of a truculent five year old. The only problem is this five year old now has a private army of his own and they are not toy soldiers.

Mikero

Kent wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:53 am Great post…I absolutely concur that Trump is an insecure narcissist

There are comparisons to the 1930s Facist Germany and present day America and therefore Hitler and Trump:
Influential, unashamedly racist, women-hating, disability-mocking, African-American-cursing, migrant-reviling, anti-Semitic, LGBTQ-dehumanizing, demonising the free press…also all non-conservative politics as communist/socialist and anti-German/American
(Trump is also: Hispanic-slandering, Muslim-baiting, Asian-denigrating…)
Trump has also sought to overturn any progressive legislation made by the Obama Government as Hitler did to the Weimar liberalist laws.

Trump’s words and actions encourage and embolden those with Facist opinion…he is a dangerous figure

Mikero wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:41 pm Sometime ago someone asked why there was a fascination with all things Trump. My opinion was that things were happening that had parallels in the inter war years and these should be taken as a warning. The latest is the appearance of a private army on the streets of Washington DC. They kitted out in military equipment and weapons but without any badges, insignia or numbers. When asked by the press who they are they will only say they work for the Justice Department. So the Attorney 'General' really has an army to command. They are thought to be made up of Prison Department Swat teams, Border force officers and possibly FBI squads, the problem is they have no warrant to do anything. How does this work with DC Police? Who takes presidence? Answers need to be found before anyone else is killed.

At least the Police have name and number badges, although there are reports of badges now being covered up. Thus they can be recorded and their excessive actions reported, but how do you do that when they are all wearing dark glasses and Covid masks? So will it be open season on protesters? If any of the bands of people wandering around US cities in military gear carrying hand guns and rifles decide to 'uphold law and order' what is there to stop them?

This is clearly an echo of the thirties with uniformed political groups trying to dominate local populations. My father and his cousin went to East London to stop Mosely's Black Shirts marching through Jewish districts. In Germany they became armed and held sway over local Police forces and we all know how that ended.

Obviously Trump is dangerous, not in a machiavellion, plotting way but as an insecure narcissist who reacts to criticism and failure with the stamping foot of a truculent five year old. The only problem is this five year old now has a private army of his own and they are not toy soldiers.

Mikero

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:31 pm Trump is the 'point man' for a section of a party that seeks to make the USA a one party state. So its a bit more than his fault alone.

Mikero

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:22 pm

Kent wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:53 am Great post…I absolutely concur that Trump is an insecure narcissist

There are comparisons to the 1930s Facist Germany and present day America and therefore Hitler and Trump:
Influential, unashamedly racist, women-hating, disability-mocking, African-American-cursing, migrant-reviling, anti-Semitic, LGBTQ-dehumanizing, demonising the free press…also all non-conservative politics as communist/socialist and anti-German/American
(Trump is also: Hispanic-slandering, Muslim-baiting, Asian-denigrating…)
Trump has also sought to overturn any progressive legislation made by the Obama Government as Hitler did to the Weimar liberalist laws.

Trump’s words and actions encourage and embolden those with Facist opinion…he is a dangerous figure

Mikero wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:41 pm Sometime ago someone asked why there was a fascination with all things Trump. My opinion was that things were happening that had parallels in the inter war years and these should be taken as a warning. The latest is the appearance of a private army on the streets of Washington DC. They kitted out in military equipment and weapons but without any badges, insignia or numbers. When asked by the press who they are they will only say they work for the Justice Department. So the Attorney 'General' really has an army to command. They are thought to be made up of Prison Department Swat teams, Border force officers and possibly FBI squads, the problem is they have no warrant to do anything. How does this work with DC Police? Who takes presidence? Answers need to be found before anyone else is killed.

At least the Police have name and number badges, although there are reports of badges now being covered up. Thus they can be recorded and their excessive actions reported, but how do you do that when they are all wearing dark glasses and Covid masks? So will it be open season on protesters? If any of the bands of people wandering around US cities in military gear carrying hand guns and rifles decide to 'uphold law and order' what is there to stop them?

This is clearly an echo of the thirties with uniformed political groups trying to dominate local populations. My father and his cousin went to East London to stop Mosely's Black Shirts marching through Jewish districts. In Germany they became armed and held sway over local Police forces and we all know how that ended.

Obviously Trump is dangerous, not in a machiavellion, plotting way but as an insecure narcissist who reacts to criticism and failure with the stamping foot of a truculent five year old. The only problem is this five year old now has a private army of his own and they are not toy soldiers.

Mikero

So it's all Trumps fault. Case closed.

Even Petrocelli would have taken time off building his house to look at this one in a bit more depth.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:56 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:22 pm

Kent wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:53 am Great post…I absolutely concur that Trump is an insecure narcissist

There are comparisons to the 1930s Facist Germany and present day America and therefore Hitler and Trump:
Influential, unashamedly racist, women-hating, disability-mocking, African-American-cursing, migrant-reviling, anti-Semitic, LGBTQ-dehumanizing, demonising the free press…also all non-conservative politics as communist/socialist and anti-German/American
(Trump is also: Hispanic-slandering, Muslim-baiting, Asian-denigrating…)
Trump has also sought to overturn any progressive legislation made by the Obama Government as Hitler did to the Weimar liberalist laws.

Trump’s words and actions encourage and embolden those with Facist opinion…he is a dangerous figure

So it's all Trumps fault. Case closed.

Even Petrocelli would have taken time off building his house to look at this one in a bit more depth.

Aye, but Taggart wouldn’t.

Mikero wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:53 pm Just a hint of the ethos of US policing. After two officers pushed an elderly protester to the ground causing a serious head injury were, quite rightly, suspended 57 other members of the squad resigned in protest. Not at the injury but the suspensions.

Mikero

Mikero wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:34 pm The problem is the motto refers to one bad apple ruining the whole barrel Max, one good apple can't last long.

Mikero