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slacker wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:29 am Looking a bit grim for them in the local elections, and that’s without the angry brexiteers casting their votes even further rightwards as some sort of protest rather than thinking about their council services.

Still, Boris Johnson couldn’t resist a fib about going out to vote. Has he no shame at all?

slacker wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:29 am Looking a bit grim for them in the local elections, and that’s without the angry brexiteers casting their votes even further rightwards as some sort of protest rather than thinking about their council services.

Still, Boris Johnson couldn’t resist a fib about going out to vote. Has he no shame at all?

greyhound wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 1:28 pm

slacker wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:29 am Looking a bit grim for them in the local elections, and that’s without the angry brexiteers casting their votes even further rightwards as some sort of protest rather than thinking about their council services.

Still, Boris Johnson couldn’t resist a fib about going out to vote. Has he no shame at all?

pray tell when do councils really think about anybody but themself. and screwing every penny they can from us.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:11 pm Great to see the Tories being given the kicking they deserve.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:32 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:11 pm Great to see the Tories being given the kicking they deserve.

Expected Labour to cash in. Not too good for them either. LD did well.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:27 am Tory losses come after previous highs and it’s not unusual for the sitting Government to get a caning mid term. Though this certainly is six of the best. Tory losses is no big surprise to anyone, highly predictable and deserving.

What did surprise me that voters didn’t just switch to Labour. In fact Labour too had a bad time. Leaving LDs, Greens and Independents to mop up.

Politics is in a low place right now. Both parties in need of new leaders, please.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:41 am

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:27 am Tory losses come after previous highs and it’s not unusual for the sitting Government to get a caning mid term. Though this certainly is six of the best. Tory losses is no big surprise to anyone, highly predictable and deserving.

What did surprise me that voters didn’t just switch to Labour. In fact Labour too had a bad time. Leaving LDs, Greens and Independents to mop up.

Politics is in a low place right now. Both parties in need of new leaders, please.

Poor analysis. The Tories lost 1300 seats - Labour less than 100.

In no way can a comparison be made here, although your last point is indeed a salient one.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 9:48 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:41 am

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:27 am Tory losses come after previous highs and it’s not unusual for the sitting Government to get a caning mid term. Though this certainly is six of the best. Tory losses is no big surprise to anyone, highly predictable and deserving.

What did surprise me that voters didn’t just switch to Labour. In fact Labour too had a bad time. Leaving LDs, Greens and Independents to mop up.

Politics is in a low place right now. Both parties in need of new leaders, please.

Poor analysis. The Tories lost 1300 seats - Labour less than 100.

In no way can a comparison be made here, although your last point is indeed a salient one.

The Torres got what they deserved. However, what’s funny is the people still don’t want Labour to run their councils, cos let’s face it the ones they do run are useless.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:12 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 9:48 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:41 am

Poor analysis. The Tories lost 1300 seats - Labour less than 100.

In no way can a comparison be made here, although your last point is indeed a salient one.

The Torres got what they deserved. However, what’s funny is the people still don’t want Labour to run their councils, cos let’s face it the ones they do run are useless.

Really? Name one?

BishopBrennan wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:26 pm Is Tory Watch anything like Spring watch? and which channel is it on?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:12 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 9:48 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:41 am

Poor analysis. The Tories lost 1300 seats - Labour less than 100.

In no way can a comparison be made here, although your last point is indeed a salient one.

The Torres got what they deserved. However, what’s funny is the people still don’t want Labour to run their councils, cos let’s face it the ones they do run are useless.

Really? Name one?

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 4:52 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:12 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 9:48 am

The Torres got what they deserved. However, what’s funny is the people still don’t want Labour to run their councils, cos let’s face it the ones they do run are useless.

Really? Name one?

Waltham Forest
Hackney
Newham


How about those three? All useless, all crap and full of socialist nonsense. I’m a Walthamstow boy and I’m ashamed of what it has become, with each passing year it just gets worse there. Hackney, is where I started life and where my grandparents were until their deaths and again it’s a dump and just gets worse with each passing year. Newham, well the only solution there is nuclear. Need I go on?

Now compare it to where I live now, we have the best schools in London, we have the most open and green spaces, we have the best recycling rates, our streets are swept weekly, we have the lowest crime rate, employment is the highest in London. I could go on and on, but it’s all under a conservative council. The difference between Labour and Conservative is like night and day. This is national politics it’s local and I’ve found that the Torres work best for the people.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 4:52 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:12 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 9:48 am

The Torres got what they deserved. However, what’s funny is the people still don’t want Labour to run their councils, cos let’s face it the ones they do run are useless.

Really? Name one?

Waltham Forest
Hackney
Newham


How about those three? All useless, all crap and full of socialist nonsense. I’m a Walthamstow boy and I’m ashamed of what it has become, with each passing year it just gets worse there. Hackney, is where I started life and where my grandparents were until their deaths and again it’s a dump and just gets worse with each passing year. Newham, well the only solution there is nuclear. Need I go on?

Now compare it to where I live now, we have the best schools in London, we have the most open and green spaces, we have the best recycling rates, our streets are swept weekly, we have the lowest crime rate, employment is the highest in London. I could go on and on, but it’s all under a conservative council. The difference between Labour and Conservative is like night and day. This is national politics it’s local and I’ve found that the Torres work best for the people.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:45 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 4:52 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:12 pm

Really? Name one?

Waltham Forest
Hackney
Newham


How about those three? All useless, all crap and full of socialist nonsense. I’m a Walthamstow boy and I’m ashamed of what it has become, with each passing year it just gets worse there. Hackney, is where I started life and where my grandparents were until their deaths and again it’s a dump and just gets worse with each passing year. Newham, well the only solution there is nuclear. Need I go on?

Now compare it to where I live now, we have the best schools in London, we have the most open and green spaces, we have the best recycling rates, our streets are swept weekly, we have the lowest crime rate, employment is the highest in London. I could go on and on, but it’s all under a conservative council. The difference between Labour and Conservative is like night and day. This is national politics it’s local and I’ve found that the Torres work best for the people.

Stick to your designer-gear living fella.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 10:17 pm House prices are dropping month on month, trust me I follow property very closely. I still own property there and am renovating one at present. From its high value it’s down approx £100k.

The high street is a mere reflection of what it once was. James St is a dump of an area now, you can’t get around anywhere as all the back roads have been blocked off in their stupid little Holland project. You can’t park anywhere as it’s permits only, hardly a way to bring people into the area. How many stabbing and shootings in the last year? Big drug problem in the area as well. There’s what 17 confirmed gangs in Walthamstow!! Really, wow.

Yes I can see that the demographic is changing and the hipsters are moving in, maybe the tide is turning, well at least I hope it is. The street where my house is has been cleaned once in a year and that was by the residents with the road closed off. Like I said above my street is cleaned every week, Road sweepers clean the roads, the grass verges are cut, it’s proper looked after which is reflected by the type of people who live here, it stays clean.

If my council can do it, then why can’t labour run ones do the same?

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 10:17 pm House prices are dropping month on month, trust me I follow property very closely. I still own property there and am renovating one at present. From its high value it’s down approx £100k.

The high street is a mere reflection of what it once was. James St is a dump of an area now, you can’t get around anywhere as all the back roads have been blocked off in their stupid little Holland project. You can’t park anywhere as it’s permits only, hardly a way to bring people into the area. How many stabbing and shootings in the last year? Big drug problem in the area as well. There’s what 17 confirmed gangs in Walthamstow!! Really, wow.

Yes I can see that the demographic is changing and the hipsters are moving in, maybe the tide is turning, well at least I hope it is. The street where my house is has been cleaned once in a year and that was by the residents with the road closed off. Like I said above my street is cleaned every week, Road sweepers clean the roads, the grass verges are cut, it’s proper looked after which is reflected by the type of people who live here, it stays clean.

If my council can do it, then why can’t labour run ones do the same?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 11:12 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 10:17 pm House prices are dropping month on month, trust me I follow property very closely. I still own property there and am renovating one at present. From its high value it’s down approx £100k.

The high street is a mere reflection of what it once was. James St is a dump of an area now, you can’t get around anywhere as all the back roads have been blocked off in their stupid little Holland project. You can’t park anywhere as it’s permits only, hardly a way to bring people into the area. How many stabbing and shootings in the last year? Big drug problem in the area as well. There’s what 17 confirmed gangs in Walthamstow!! Really, wow.

Yes I can see that the demographic is changing and the hipsters are moving in, maybe the tide is turning, well at least I hope it is. The street where my house is has been cleaned once in a year and that was by the residents with the road closed off. Like I said above my street is cleaned every week, Road sweepers clean the roads, the grass verges are cut, it’s proper looked after which is reflected by the type of people who live here, it stays clean.

If my council can do it, then why can’t labour run ones do the same?

Poppycock Thor

3 bed house on Eden road ( tiny houses ) £ 895,000. - I’ve seen that one and it hasn’t sold yet and a year ago it would probably have cleared a million.

No more stabbings in e17 than there was in the 80s 90s - mostly disputes were sorted by deists, but yes stabbing did occur.
Dont know if you.remember the murder outside of the rising sun - yes
Or the one outside mcCanns wine bar ( whipps cross wine bar) - yes
or the murder outside of mountjoys on markhouse road. - don’t remember

The market is the best its been since M&S left it & selbourne walk opened .- don’t agree
Stalls are being properly regulated with the 5 stall rule again as it used to be till the mid 90s - maybe so but there’s probably less than half of what there used to be and most now just sell crap and toot. ,

I got my 1st "bit of gear" ( lebanese ) down the market when i was 18
Whilst working down there. - I guess you’re talking drugs? If it’s food, nice one I ate my first experience of their food in Santa Barbara around a flame pit and very nice it was too.

Shops were getting done down there so often insurers were starting to refuse insurance policies. - its was a sign of the times, ram raiding, but things move on and now counterfeit goods are all the rage or cyber crime, it’s still there just concentrated on something else.

Mini Holland is great , keeps all the tourists away & boosts public transport & my lungs havent felt so clean in years& i smoke to. But it harms business which brings employment and taxes, there’s lots of complaints from them.

CPZ's have been in E17 since 1985 at least , our house was one of the first with permits. - they were promised to be free, never to be charged, granted its helped with parking so that’s a bonus, but you can’t park cos your not in that particular zone. Again it harms business cos you can’t stop.

James street was always a sh*thole. - not exactly true, but maybe

Gangs .
Markhouse road
Hoe street &
Wood street
Used to be a time people from certain pubs would visit pubs on any of the other 2 main roads for gang trouble - the visits from one pub to another was not gang related ever, I know cos I used to drink in them, they were to sort out differences between people, the type of people that don’t back down. Never gang related. Now Hoe St has the Somalian grug gangs openly peddling their trade, the Albainians drove them out of James St. that’s not what I want to see ever.

Remember the little alley way by the central

In the 80s it was known by locals as muggers alley
Not any more. - I don’t remember that and I used to walk through it often, maybe I was lucky?

Last of all the night the guns came out in the brewery tap - top pub that back in the day, used to love drinking in there, if you were an outsider then maybe you’d have a problem, but they looked after there own.
The day the guns came out down the high street to stop the steamers walking into shops by gangs with knives - don’t remember that, but that’s not to say it did t happen.
The day the guns came out during the race riots .- yeah sad time that was, I was proper scared when all that was going down and I’m talking Broadwater farm time as that was spreading like wildfire.


This rose tinted glasses b*ll*cks certainly isnt Walthamstow. - I can say I walked those streets every day, going to school I had to get a train and bus and never once did I get in a fight, maybe cos I was well known, I don’t know. Drugs were around, but not like now where you get asked if you want any and they get Annoyed when you say no. The streets were safer than they are now, cleaner too. The high st was buzzing now I see a sh*t hole. I hope it recovers and I do believe it will in time. The hipsters are moving in, lots of properties are being renovated and extensions and loft conversions are being done. The major minus is jobs and companies leaving the area, that’s a major downside.