It's a deep read. If you have time, give it a read. We are all living this moment in history. We have been forced into it by a lack of World leadership.
We always understand it at the time. But time tells us whether we understood it correctly.
Both Irrelevant points
The Quote I hate is
" We are all living this moment in history" .
Of course we are, we cant live through others History IN THE moment !!
Not a pop at RustyRocks , just the statement .
How do you know you are making history IN THE moment.
Comes back to E H Carr's point. What is History?
Carr’s What is History? has long been read by students, helped no doubt by the fact that it is very short. Much of its argument has long since passed out of current thinking and, on its own, it is perhaps an inadequate introduction to historiography, as Carr would doubtless have been the first to admit
The Quote I hate is
" We are all living this moment in history" .
Of course we are, we cant live through others History IN THE moment !!
Not a pop at RustyRocks , just the statement .
How do you know you are making history IN THE moment.
Comes back to E H Carr's point. What is History?
Carr’s What is History? has long been read by students, helped no doubt by the fact that it is very short. Much of its argument has long since passed out of current thinking and, on its own, it is perhaps an inadequate introduction to historiography, as Carr would doubtless have been the first to admit
Excellent at least now Historiography is on the table for discussion.
But I don't believe you can dismiss Carr as being inadequate in that department. Controversial yes but not entirely wrong.
How do you know you are making history IN THE moment.
Comes back to E H Carr's point. What is History?
Carr’s What is History? has long been read by students, helped no doubt by the fact that it is very short. Much of its argument has long since passed out of current thinking and, on its own, it is perhaps an inadequate introduction to historiography, as Carr would doubtless have been the first to admit
Excellent at least now Historiography is on the table for discussion.
But I don't believe you can dismiss Carr as being inadequate in that department. Controversial yes but not entirely wrong.
Carr's question is lazy .
This however is not .
Philosophy of History
First published Sun Feb 18, 2007; substantive revision Thu Oct 13, 2016
The concept of history plays a fundamental role in human thought. It invokes notions of human agency, change, the role of material circumstances in human affairs, and the putative meaning of historical events. It raises the possibility of “learning from history.” And it suggests the possibility of better understanding ourselves in the present, by understanding the forces, choices, and circumstances that brought us to our current situation. It is therefore unsurprising that philosophers have sometimes turned their attention to efforts to examine history itself and the nature of historical knowledge. These reflections can be grouped together into a body of work called “philosophy of history.” This work is heterogeneous, comprising analyses and arguments of idealists, positivists, logicians, theologians, and others, and moving back and forth over the divides between European and Anglo-American philosophy, and between hermeneutics and positivism.
Given the plurality of voices within the “philosophy of history,” it is impossible to give one definition of the field that suits all these approaches. In fact, it is misleading to imagine that we refer to a single philosophical tradition when we invoke the phrase, “philosophy of history,” because the strands of research characterized here rarely engage in dialogue with each other. Still, we can usefully think of philosophers' writings about history as clustering around several large questions, involving metaphysics, hermeneutics, epistemology, and historicism: (1) What does history consist of—individual actions, social structures, periods and regions, civilizations, large causal processes, divine intervention? (2) Does history as a whole have meaning, structure, or direction, beyond the individual events and actions that make it up? (3) What is involved in our knowing, representing, and explaining history? (4) To what extent is human history constitutive of the human present?
The Quote I hate is
" We are all living this moment in history" .
Of course we are, we cant live through others History IN THE moment !!
Not a pop at RustyRocks , just the statement .
What University did you attend were you attained a History Qualification?
I'll go first. I attended DCU and Trinity.
Irrelevant point M'lud
It is the words used by many in the media ,
not just your goodself .
Just a point though
Do you have to have studied History anywhere ,
to play a part in it ?
I think not
P.S
Is DCU meant to be U.C.D ?
I'm not putting you down for not having any background in History. These are challenging MF Times.
This may drive you crazy but "History has a Habit of repeating itself".
No DCU is Dublin City University. It's in the North Side. UCD is South side. In fact, I was in a College affiliate called St Patricks College, Drumcondra.
What University did you attend were you attained a History Qualification?
I'll go first. I attended DCU and Trinity.
Irrelevant point M'lud
It is the words used by many in the media ,
not just your goodself .
Just a point though
Do you have to have studied History anywhere ,
to play a part in it ?
I think not
P.S
Is DCU meant to be U.C.D ?
I'm not putting you down for not having any background in History. These are challenging MF Times.
This may drive you crazy but "History has a Habit of repeating itself".
No DCU is Dublin City University. It's in the North Side. UCD is South side. In fact, I was in a College affiliate called St Patricks College, Drumcondra.
When were you at Trinity , My Uncle a Doctorate of Mathematics
Finished his career there , after starting at plymouth then moving to singapore
Vietnam Thailand then back to London at U.C.L
Who said i never had a background in History ?
I just never answered you
Re: A Global Perspective.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2020 4:04 pm
by StillSpike
Am I the only one who likes to think that Tuffers and Rory's conversation IRL might look like this
Irrelevant point M'lud
It is the words used by many in the media ,
not just your goodself .
Just a point though
Do you have to have studied History anywhere ,
to play a part in it ?
I think not
P.S
Is DCU meant to be U.C.D ?
I'm not putting you down for not having any background in History. These are challenging MF Times.
This may drive you crazy but "History has a Habit of repeating itself".
No DCU is Dublin City University. It's in the North Side. UCD is South side. In fact, I was in a College affiliate called St Patricks College, Drumcondra.
When were you at Trinity , My Uncle a Doctorate of Mathematics
Finished his career there , after starting at plymouth then moving to singapore
Vietnam Thailand then back to London at U.C.L
Who said i never had a background in History ?
I just never answered you
The late 90's.
I'm not looking to offend you by the way. So if any offence was taken, I do apologise.
Re: A Global Perspective.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2020 6:27 pm
by DonaldRocks
StillSpike wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:04 pm
Am I the only one who likes to think that Tuffers and Rory's conversation IRL might look like this
Lol, Ireland is nowhere like that. You might get the odd place but it's not very common. You would soon be put in your place.
Here is a tune to end the week.
And this is for everybody out there who is feeling down about were we are all at this moment. Things are going to get alot better. We are all in this together.
I'm not putting you down for not having any background in History. These are challenging MF Times.
This may drive you crazy but "History has a Habit of repeating itself".
No DCU is Dublin City University. It's in the North Side. UCD is South side. In fact, I was in a College affiliate called St Patricks College, Drumcondra.
When were you at Trinity , My Uncle a Doctorate of Mathematics
Finished his career there , after starting at plymouth then moving to singapore
Vietnam Thailand then back to London at U.C.L
Who said i never had a background in History ?
I just never answered you
The late 90's.
I'm not looking to offend you by the way. So if any offence was taken, I do apologise.
He was there in the Early 90s & then in a voluntary roll upto 2000
When were you at Trinity , My Uncle a Doctorate of Mathematics
Finished his career there , after starting at plymouth then moving to singapore
Vietnam Thailand then back to London at U.C.L
Who said i never had a background in History ?
I just never answered you
The late 90's.
I'm not looking to offend you by the way. So if any offence was taken, I do apologise.
He was there in the Early 90s & then in a voluntary roll upto 2000
Good stuff. Nobody going in to see the Book of Kells at the moment, probably little overseas students for next years Academic Year. It will mean extra places for local students but it will mean a huge financial hole in the budgets of all Colleges and Universities. This Virus damages everything in society. And it doesn't take a day off for Bank Holidays.
