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Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:56 am
by Thor
So I heard on the radio yesterday that Branson wants a £500m bailout from the government and will put his Becker island worth £80m up as collatoroal. A couple of things if I may.
1) all his companies are registered in the BVI and trying to ascertain a paper trail or understand what they do or pay tax or where they pay it is nigh on impossible.
2) he has lived on that island for 14 years and as it’s a zero tax haven he has not paid one penny to HMRC in that time.
3) it’s a private company which will live and die by the decisions of his management team.
4) he is supposed to be worth £4-5bn depending on what you read, does he really need a bailout?
So all in all I do not beleive that the uk government should bail him out. I really feel for his workers and yes I’d love to support them all, but if the company fails then surely at that point the government Can hoover it up for free, keep the staff, run the business and in time return it for sale to the private sector for sale (I say this as the government does not want to own stuff anymore) and ultimately profit.
Or is Branson not as rich as is thought? For a man who has the Wale that’s I mention surely £500m is not a lot of money is it? Failing that borrowing that sum from commercial markets must be doable if it’s backed by him personally?
Something does not smell right here.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:08 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
I doubt he’s got £500m sitting in his bank account.
Also, you don’t get to be worth £5 billion by putting your hand in your own pocket.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:49 am
by Dunners
Trust RedO to pop up defending the Tory scum.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:51 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Is he Tory?
I had him down as a socialist given his involvement in public transport and the NHS.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:52 am
by Dunners
He's certainly done his bit to redistribute wealth.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:08 am
by o-no
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:56 am
So I heard on the radio yesterday that Branson wants a £500m bailout from the government and will put his Becker island worth £80m up as collatoroal. A couple of things if I may.
1) all his companies are registered in the BVI and trying to ascertain a paper trail or understand what they do or pay tax or where they pay it is nigh on impossible.
2) he has lived on that island for 14 years and as it’s a zero tax haven he has not paid one penny to HMRC in that time.
3) it’s a private company which will live and die by the decisions of his management team.
4) he is supposed to be worth £4-5bn depending on what you read, does he really need a bailout?
So all in all I do not beleive that the uk government should bail him out. I really feel for his workers and yes I’d love to support them all, but if the company fails then surely at that point the government Can hoover it up for free, keep the staff, run the business and in time return it for sale to the private sector for sale (I say this as the government does not want to own stuff anymore) and ultimately profit.
Or is Branson not as rich as is thought? For a man who has the Wale that’s I mention surely £500m is not a lot of money is it? Failing that borrowing that sum from commercial markets must be doable if it’s backed by him personally?
Something does not smell right here.
They're not bailing him personally out though are they.
Are you saying that companies part-owned by rich,well-known, attention-seeking individuals should be excluded from the bail out, because I don't think the personality of the owner, or where he lives, should be a factor in whether someones job gets saved or not.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:14 am
by Dunners
O-no: I tend to agree with you. The problem with the big personality CEOs is that they overshadow everything. But right now the priority has to be securing jobs and household income.
However, that should be conditional on a global effort by governments to set a new corporate framework whereby short-term shareholder return isn't the sole aim anymore. Most people like Denmark's approach to bailouts, but for to work and to shift corporates behaviours it needs to be adopted across many developed nations.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:25 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
Capitalism until it doesn’t work for you anymore. Then begging to the nation.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:41 am
by Clive Evans
A week or so ago, I started a thread about this pretty unpleasant character, who I think some people have quite unfairly enhanced his reputation.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:42 am
by Disoriented
West Side Story wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:41 am
A week or so ago, I started a thread about this pretty unpleasant character, who I think some people have quite unfairly enhanced his reputation.
Some pretty unpleasant character? Johnson? Gove? Hancock? Patel? Rees-Mugg?
No, none of the above. Branson is more unpleasant than that lot?
Really?
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:44 am
by LittleMate
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:56 am
So I heard on the radio yesterday that Branson wants a £500m bailout from the government and will put his Becker island worth £80m up as collatoroal. A couple of things if I may.
1) all his companies are registered in the BVI and trying to ascertain a paper trail or understand what they do or pay tax or where they pay it is nigh on impossible.
2) he has lived on that island for 14 years and as it’s a zero tax haven he has not paid one penny to HMRC in that time.
3) it’s a private company which will live and die by the decisions of his management team.
4) he is supposed to be worth £4-5bn depending on what you read, does he really need a bailout?
So all in all I do not beleive that the uk government should bail him out. I really feel for his workers and yes I’d love to support them all, but if the company fails then surely at that point the government Can hoover it up for free, keep the staff, run the business and in time return it for sale to the private sector for sale (I say this as the government does not want to own stuff anymore) and ultimately profit.
Or is Branson not as rich as is thought? For a man who has the Wale that’s I mention surely £500m is not a lot of money is it? Failing that borrowing that sum from commercial markets must be doable if it’s backed by him personally?
Something does not smell right here.
Jack Walker, the former Blackburn owner, died and his worth was c.£330 million. He made his money at Walker Steel, which was based in Northern Ireland. Walker Steel received £275 million in government grants.........................
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:55 am
by Constanza
A bit like my first sexual experience this is virgin on the ridiculous
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:49 am
by Adz
Any government bailout should hit shareholders equally
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:41 pm
by LeighO
When BA were in trouble, did Branson not pontificate on the ways of a free market, stating they should be allowed to go to the wall if ‘the market’ deemed it so? He added that others, such as Virgin, would pick up the slack and take over routes etc. and run them more efficiently. Changed his tune now hasn’t he?
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:21 pm
by Dunners
He certainly has.
Although, he did have a point at the time about BA. They did not offer a great product and were only able to hold onto their market share courtesy of the slots they had at Heathrow.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:26 pm
by Max B Gold
Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:21 pm
He certainly has.
Although, he did have a point at the time about BA. They did not offer a great product and were only able to hold onto their market share courtesy of the slots they had at Heathrow.
So he was just jealous?
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:37 pm
by Dunners
Politics of envy.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:59 pm
by EliotNes
He shouldn't get a penny of tax-payers money and he should never have got a knighthood. My dislike for the guy is huge.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:13 pm
by ComeOnYouOs
EliotNes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:59 pm
He shouldn't get a penny of tax-payers money and he should never have got a knighthood. My dislike for the guy is huge.
My dislike for him is huger !
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:57 pm
by StillSpike
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 pm
by Dunners
Heh! This should be a test of the special relationship.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:23 pm
by Stamford O
How much money do you have to have before you lose your social conscience
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:30 pm
by tuffers#1
The Right wing muppets will still blow
smoke up his arse .
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:03 pm
by Ornchurch
I think that he should open a GoFundMe page and start doing laps of his island.
Re: Richard Branson - Bailout
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:26 pm
by tuffers#1
Trump owns glof course not Islands