Independent Leyton Orient Forum

So Matt Hancock has just written off more than 13bn of NHS trust debt. That’s a good move right? So what does that actually mean? Are trusts all now debt free?

So a massive positive step forwards for the NHS with all debts written off and not one left winger says well done to the government for taking this excellent step. Still believe the tories want to wreck it?

#clowns.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:40 pm So a massive positive step forwards for the NHS with all debts written off and not one left winger says well done to the government for taking this excellent step. Still believe the tories want to wreck it?

#clowns.

This. Well said

What it means, is that those NHS trusts were underfunded to the tune of £13 Bn, hence they overspent, creating this so-called debt.

So we're meant to say well done to the Govt for getting the budgets wrong in the first place?

Ok - well done govt.

Clown.

Makes it a much more attractive proposition for the inevitable selloff.

Thor asks himself a question and then answers it. Weird.

Thor makes an good point and all the lefties on here who slag off the government say nothing when a positive is created for the nhs

Strange that.

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:42 pm Thor makes an good point and all the lefties on here who slag off the government say nothing when a positive is created for the nhs

Strange that.

Given that this is a dummy persona I'm really impressed how you maintain the stupidity level. Or maybe you're just a natural.

So, the government add another £13bn to the existing trillions debt. Are we supposed to applaud their amazing generosity?

"Let me put this in context.

First, the NHS had no debt at all. It was owed from NHS agencies, owned by the government to the government itself. That's not debt: that's just book-keeping.

Second, that book-keeping was created to, in particular, reinforce the internal market reforms created by Andrew Lansley in 2012, which were the undoubted intended precursor for NHS privatisation. That process was massively bureaucratic, and so costly. It diverted massive effort into corporate management, PR, and accounting when none of that was needed: no one needed to sell the NHS to anyone. But worse, it dismantled the National element of the NHS".


https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/202 ... s-will-do/

mildandbitter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:56 pm Makes it a much more attractive proposition for the inevitable selloff.

Had labour made that decision all the lefties on here would be creaming over it.
The government have just written off a 13 billion debt, that’s the equivalent of injecting another 13 billion into the nhs.

It’s just book keeping. It doesn’t mean anything.

#clowns

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_ ... _2012ealth and Social Care Act 2012



This article has been nominated to be checked for its neutrality.

The Health and Social Care Act 2012 (c 7) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It provides for the most extensive reorganisation of the structure of the National Health Service in England to date.[1] It removed responsibility for the health of citizens from the Secretary of State for Health, which the post had carried since the inception of the NHS in 1948. It abolished NHS primary care trusts (PCTs) and Strategic Health Authorities (SHAs) and transferred between £60 billion and £80 billion of "commissioning", or health care funds, from the abolished PCTs to several hundred "clinical commissioning groups", partly run by the general practitioners(GPs) in England but a major point of access for private service providers. A new executive agency of the Department of Health, Public Health England, was established under the Act on 1 April 2013.[2]

Shows the Health Service needs to be Re-Nationalised .
Not have a bit of debt paid off.

Redcard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:34 pm Had labour made that decision all the lefties on here would be creaming over it.
The government have just written off a 13 billion debt, that’s the equivalent of injecting another 13 billion into the nhs.

Only a complete dolt would be so naive as to believe that. PLease see above for the reason for this so-called debt.

Redcard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:34 pm Had labour made that decision all the lefties on here would be creaming over it.
The government have just written off a 13 billion debt, that’s the equivalent of injecting another 13 billion into the nhs.

As someone pointed out on Twitter.This is not debt but the amount of underfunding that the government has loaded on to the NHS.

Yeah I wonder how much was created by labour and their privatisation of the nhs? Ppfi anyone?