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Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:34 pm
by Long slender neck
Arsène Wenger is pressing to change the offside rule in his role as Fifa’s head of global development and his proposal could be passed in time for the Euro 2020 finals.

The former Arsenal manager wants a player to be onside if any part of their body that can score a goal is behind or level with the relevant defender.

His move follows a series of video assistant referee (VAR) decisions in which goals have been disallowed because a player has been fractionally offside.

A header by Chelsea’s Olivier Giroud against Manchester United on Monday was disallowed because part of his right boot was offside, for example, and Liverpool’s Roberto Firmino had a goal disallowed because of an armpit offside against Aston Villa.

“The most difficult [issue] that people have [with VAR] is the offside rule,” Wenger said at the Laureus Sports Awards in Berlin. “You have had offsides by a fraction of a centimetre, literally by a nose. It is the time to do this quickly.

“There is room to change the rule and not say that a part of a player’s nose is offside, so you are offside because you can score with that. Instead, you will be not be offside if any part of the body that can score a goal is in line with the last defender, even if other parts of the attacker’s body are in front.

“That will sort it out and you will no longer have decisions about millimetres and a fraction of the attacker being in front of the defensive line.”
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Wenger’s proposals will be considered by the law-making body, the International Football Association Board, on 29 February. The FAs of the four UK home nations and four Fifa representatives sit on the board and passing a motion requires a three-quarters majority. A change would come into force on 1 June, shortly before the European Championship finals which start 11 days later.

The existing law says: “A player is in an offside position if: any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent.”


https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... calls-ifab

This is pretty much the same as saying there has to be 'daylight' between an attacker and a defender isnt it? I imagine there will still be decisions based on millimetres, just looking at a different area. So it'll be closeups to see if an attackers trailing leg is in line with a chasing defenders arm etc. I guess its still an improvement as attackers wont be penalised as much for ridiculous 'advantages'.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:05 pm
by Max B Gold
Sacre bleu. Football is dying on its arse if it has to be this complicated.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:26 pm
by Lucky7
Max B Gold wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:05 pm Sacre bleu. Football is dying on its arse if it has to be this complicated.

Zzzzzzzz

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:50 pm
by Orient_Man_And_Boy
IMO: do away with the Offside Law completely.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:29 pm
by Greenwich Orient
Nothing wrong with the offside rule in my opinion, just the VAR technology. They seem to be unable to get the ‘clear and obvious’ interpretation right. If someone was offside by part of their nose, the time it has taken for VAR to draw the line, zoom in and out numerous times and make that determination, to me, renders the decision absolutely not clear and not obvious. If they can’t make the decision in 5-10 seconds then the original decision should stand. Just my thoughts.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:15 pm
by gshaw
Wenger has it spot on, give the benefit of doubt to the attacker. Football is exciting because of goals being scored, not having them chalked off by virtual rulers and set squares from hundreds of miles away.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:24 pm
by Sid Bishop
gshaw wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:15 pm Wenger has it spot on, give the benefit of doubt to the attacker. Football is exciting because of goals being scored, not having them chalked off by virtual rulers and set squares from hundreds of miles away.
Agree.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:39 pm
by Give it to Jabo
1-0 to Arsène...some of the VAR decisions have been telescopic...

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:59 pm
by Cheshunto
Thank God we don’t have VAR in L2
I agree with Wenger, something needs to be done

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:39 pm
by EastDerehamO
Yep, I’m in the camp of something needing to be done with VAR too, and echo the sentiments that thank goodness we don’t suffer it in L2.

The offside law is fine, VAR is the issue. Football was never meant to be a game to be clinically dissected in a laboratory full of screens with umpteen camera angles, and it’s not a game with as many natural regular breaks like other sports (e.g. cricket & tennis), so doesn’t lend itself to such delays. If there is a case for it, then I’d give a strict time limit of a few seconds, and if the on-field decision can’t be overturned within those seconds, then it’s not clear and obvious and the on-field decision stands. Simples!

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:28 pm
by EliotNes
Orient_Man_And_Boy wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:50 pm IMO: do away with the Offside Law completely.
This

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:39 pm
by StillSpike
EliotNes wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:28 pm
Orient_Man_And_Boy wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:50 pm IMO: do away with the Offside Law completely.
This
Or

Just do away with the idea that every single little decision taken in the course or a bloody game has to be 100% dead on balls accurate. It's a sport, not micro-surgery.

Just do away with VAR.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:23 am
by Adz
Don't see how this will help, we'll still get the microscopic line comparison, will just mean more goals are scored. Gives the forward a big advantage, they can be a couple of feet offside (as the current rule is) but trail a toe in lie with the defender and would be on side. They should just do what they do in cricket, within a certain amount it's foes to the linesman original call.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:10 am
by Disoriented
Most sensible thing the fella has ever said!

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:50 am
by EH16
Just need to scrap VAR. Problem sorted.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:12 am
by greyhound
VAR makes as many mistakes as referees do
in my opinion its spoiling the game.

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:22 am
by Orient_Man_And_Boy
Can we remind AW that today is 'Tehoue Day' plus 9 years?

Didn't need VAR for that!

Re: Wenger proposes change to Offside rule

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:43 pm
by Max B Gold
Whatever happened to the days when the ball was cleared and the sweeper would shout "Out" and the entire defence would sprint to the half way line to play the opposing forwards offside if the ball was played to them. Great times.

I once saw Motherwell, under Ally McLeod, do this to ridiculous levels against St Mirren at the old Love Street. The St Midden Buddies were going ballistic. Well fans werent too happy either as poor Willie Pettigrew ran about like a madman as the single forward getting more and more frustrated. Horrible game.