Independent Leyton Orient Forum

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:01 pm
Fans go home Happy

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:01 am Initially Embleford was going to be number two?

Get real mate, he’s still number two - and tactically always will be

Now wash your hands please

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:29 pm

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:01 am Initially Embleford was going to be number two?

Get real mate, he’s still number two - and tactically always will be

Now wash your hands please

This is just the response he is looking for. I've come to the conclusion that he doesn't care too much about the O's. Anyone who knows their football realises that things are not that good. A 1-1 draw Saturday and a scrape through 2-1 win last night after a goalkeeping howler, and an own goal. Both games against struggling sides, and both at home too. But then he plays his little game by suggesting everything is going well, 4points from two games etc, etc. He's either doing it as a wind up or he is just ignorant about football.
It is quite clearly something that makes him tick over on this board--he derives a certain amount of pleasure from it.
Whatever it may be, he is just looking for a reaction all the time.

cymruO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:37 am Saturday will be a good test of how much improvement we've made. Big thing seems to be positive and aggressive from the word go. Too many square and back passes - they shout lack of confidence and a side like Cheltenham could hurt us for that.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:05 pm For Tuffers, whatever the subject, when he is placing comments on this forum, it is forever a case of ''Its wind up day today''

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:21 am Fine we won great for all
However tuff if we had lost would your words be of a type where you would deflect any criticism of the manager with mitigating reasons

Look tuff for me I want lofc to win and tbh it's not Ross I have the issue with it's all about the equality of employee opportunities being there for everyone and that's it simply put and I from the outside think the club did not attempt to assist Fletcher how they could and then the subsequent developments were not very professional.

I would prefer an expierenced manager win or lose and initially Ross was going to be the number 2 and he and most people were satisfied with that outcome

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:29 pm

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:01 am Initially Embleford was going to be number two?

Get real mate, he’s still number two - and tactically always will be

Now wash your hands please

This is just the response he is looking for. I've come to the conclusion that he doesn't care too much about the O's. Anyone who knows their football realises that things are not that good. A 1-1 draw Saturday and a scrape through 2-1 win last night after a goalkeeping howler, and an own goal. Both games against struggling sides, and both at home too. But then he plays his little game by suggesting everything is going well, 4points from two games etc, etc. He's either doing it as a wind up or he is just ignorant about football.
It is quite clearly something that makes him tick over on this board--he derives a certain amount of pleasure from it.
Whatever it may be, he is just looking for a reaction all the time.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:21 am Fine we won great for all
However tuff if we had lost would your words be of a type where you would deflect any criticism of the manager with mitigating reasons

Look tuff for me I want lofc to win and tbh it's not Ross I have the issue with it's all about the equality of employee opportunities being there for everyone and that's it simply put and I from the outside think the club did not attempt to assist Fletcher how they could and then the subsequent developments were not very professional.

I would prefer an expierenced manager win or lose and initially Ross was going to be the number 2 and he and most people were satisfied with that outcome

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:10 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:21 am Fine we won great for all
However tuff if we had lost would your words be of a type where you would deflect any criticism of the manager with mitigating reasons

Look tuff for me I want lofc to win and tbh it's not Ross I have the issue with it's all about the equality of employee opportunities being there for everyone and that's it simply put and I from the outside think the club did not attempt to assist Fletcher how they could and then the subsequent developments were not very professional.

I would prefer an expierenced manager win or lose and initially Ross was going to be the number 2 and he and most people were satisfied with that outcome

Without being disrespectful
Didnt Ling say Fletcha lied .

CF:-Yeah ill do.what you ask
ML Ok lad you got the job
CF:- Right time for all these sh*te muggy players to go &
me to show Eddie Howe i learnt how to use the loan system.

Sorry that kind of Equality doesnt cut it for me .

Ross may not be the man for the job long term & experience does always do you good .

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:02 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:10 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:21 am Fine we won great for all
However tuff if we had lost would your words be of a type where you would deflect any criticism of the manager with mitigating reasons

Look tuff for me I want lofc to win and tbh it's not Ross I have the issue with it's all about the equality of employee opportunities being there for everyone and that's it simply put and I from the outside think the club did not attempt to assist Fletcher how they could and then the subsequent developments were not very professional.

I would prefer an expierenced manager win or lose and initially Ross was going to be the number 2 and he and most people were satisfied with that outcome

Without being disrespectful
Didnt Ling say Fletcha lied .

CF:-Yeah ill do.what you ask
ML Ok lad you got the job
CF:- Right time for all these sh*te muggy players to go &
me to show Eddie Howe i learnt how to use the loan system.

Sorry that kind of Equality doesnt cut it for me .

Ross may not be the man for the job long term & experience does always do you good .

Keep wumming fella. Whatever floats your boat.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:20 pm Why all the hate for Ross? We've had much worse without so much complaint.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:23 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:10 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:21 am Fine we won great for all
However tuff if we had lost would your words be of a type where you would deflect any criticism of the manager with mitigating reasons

Look tuff for me I want lofc to win and tbh it's not Ross I have the issue with it's all about the equality of employee opportunities being there for everyone and that's it simply put and I from the outside think the club did not attempt to assist Fletcher how they could and then the subsequent developments were not very professional.

I would prefer an expierenced manager win or lose and initially Ross was going to be the number 2 and he and most people were satisfied with that outcome

Without being disrespectful
Didnt Ling say Fletcha lied .

CF:-Yeah ill do.what you ask
ML Ok lad you got the job
CF:- Right time for all these sh*te muggy players to go &
me to show Eddie Howe i learnt how to use the loan system.

Sorry that kind of Equality doesnt cut it for me .

Ross may not be the man for the job long term & experience does always do you good .

Your answer is rather a miss match of words that I think you have written rather than a accurate transcript of a two way conversation and fails as an example of equality

more of a case of either being misquoted by Ling or another person / or the words being spoken were incorrectly interpretated.

Quote precise facts please

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:58 pm One of the main reasons he was kicked out cos he wanted Ross out the club among others and Ling wasn’t having that.

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:43 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:40 pm

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:23 pm

Your answer is rather a miss match of words that I think you have written rather than a accurate transcript of a two way conversation and fails as an example of equality

more of a case of either being misquoted by Ling or another person / or the words being spoken were incorrectly interpretated.

Quote precise facts please

Precise fact

Ling Stated in his interview with Nigel Travis
We employed CF to do a job a certain way

He then started to do the job in a different way .

He had to go.

Maybe as a coach at a premier club a former captain of both other premier clubs and country he may of had an approach to training / coaching / playing that ML / RE and others had never expierenced and thus it was disagreeable.

Look mate you were not there I was not there Father Christmas was not there how the hell would you know what was said or implied and the deviation if any was delivered once he was appointed.

The simple bottom line is the existing owners coaches and directors took a dislike to his work and character for reasons specifically unknown to us but categorised by them as "culture" however post dismissal the owner clearly stated in the interview fletcher was not to blame but Lofc were.

That why I'm p off big time - they go to the cost and time to select him and give up after 29 days - it's really bizarre to just throw a person under a bus without explaining how they tried to assist him to mitigate where they were unhappy with his performance

One can't just do an investigation by Sherlock Ling after being alerted hearing his son saying to his mother " the club f up " - and then doing a latent secret investigation

Why the f did Ling not play it straight and tell the poor bloke what he was not satisfied and ask him to improve or change to lings perception of method or culture ( defined by Ling)

You know why - fletcher wanted drastic changes and the club could not afford the mutiple pay offs and importation of new staff costs - so they got rid of him - there is no other logical explanation

Let's see in years to come who has the better career - people like fletcher a high achiever in playing or the football people responsible for his lack of integration into the culture be it players or Lofc coaches

People like him just don't just give up due to one group at one club getting pxxssed off for reasons they decide is the marking factor on their boxes or culture or fear of their own employment.

In the meantime Lofc win more than they lose and all this crap management of critical decisions gets lost in the wash

If Ross fails the current Ling boxes whatever they he will eventually go- but it won't work like that in the short term.

So be prepared for both Ross and Ling to be here along time and on that basis it really is futile displaying any further displeasure - best just concentrate on other aspects on ones lives and except Lofc has people trying their best within their culture

Ross is the fail guy in the long term as managers tenures are short and his loyalty and love of Lofc has been taken advantage of by Lofc - shame really because he has a young family and a failed Lofc manager in his own words will have a less future career that a highly acclaimed first team coach as he was thought of by Lofc