Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:10 pm Toilet opposition that we managed to be just as bad as.

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:18 pm We time wasted shamefully in an echo of the performance at home v 9-man Cheltenham which we luckily won 1-0

Embleford is not good enough. He doesn’t have the talent to be a manager

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:00 pm Really poor game to watch with one moment of quality to break the deadlock. Switched off at the end in true Orient fashion but didn't deserve to win so can't argue wirh the result. Won't win many new customers playing such turgid football at home.

For me very much what you get with Ross Embleton in charge. Not quite relegation candidates but not much better.

Vigoroux - 7 - decent distribution, handling and routine stops. Commands the defence with far more confidence than Sargeant, as you'd expect from a senior pro. Should I dock a point for letting one in at the end, I'll leave the board to decide...

Brophy - 6 - MOTM untroubled defensively, brings ball out well, great strike for the goal. Equaliser came from his side though, need to watch that one back... Edit: having seen it docked him a point back down to 6
Ekpiteta - 6 -excellent comfortable and seems a bit more confident with ball at feet
Happe - 6 - as per Ekpiteta
Marsh - 6 - solid enough

Cissé - 6 - defensive shield, generally efficient passing. Get him signed up for next season.
Wright - 5 - control let him down at times, not his best game
Clay - 6 - still not convinced about him at this level but claims an assist today with the slide rule pass for the goal

JMD - 5 - anonymous
Sotiriou - 6 - hustle and bustle, but one too many touches in front of goal today. Despite that he has that excitement factor about him like Koroma... don't f**k up his contract extension Ling
Wilkinson - 4 - a budget Adam Boyd, nice skills but doesn't want to chase loose balls or battle physically at all. Shirt won't need washing for next match.

Coulson - 6 - not really tested, did the basics as you'd expect after coming on for seemingly injured Happe?
Johnson - 5 - barely touched the ball, says more about the service than the player I think. Fluffed his lines with a big chance at the end
Angol - 5 - he was present and ran around a bit, can't say much else

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:00 pm Really poor game to watch with one moment of quality to break the deadlock. Switched off at the end in true Orient fashion but didn't deserve to win so can't argue wirh the result. Won't win many new customers playing such turgid football at home.

For me very much what you get with Ross Embleton in charge. Not quite relegation candidates but not much better.

Vigoroux - 7 - decent distribution, handling and routine stops. Commands the defence with far more confidence than Sargeant, as you'd expect from a senior pro. Should I dock a point for letting one in at the end, I'll leave the board to decide...

Brophy - 6 - MOTM untroubled defensively, brings ball out well, great strike for the goal. Equaliser came from his side though, need to watch that one back... Edit: having seen it docked him a point back down to 6
Ekpiteta - 6 -excellent comfortable and seems a bit more confident with ball at feet
Happe - 6 - as per Ekpiteta
Marsh - 6 - solid enough

Cissé - 6 - defensive shield, generally efficient passing. Get him signed up for next season.
Wright - 5 - control let him down at times, not his best game
Clay - 6 - still not convinced about him at this level but claims an assist today with the slide rule pass for the goal

JMD - 5 - anonymous
Sotiriou - 6 - hustle and bustle, but one too many touches in front of goal today. Despite that he has that excitement factor about him like Koroma... don't f**k up his contract extension Ling
Wilkinson - 4 - a budget Adam Boyd, nice skills but doesn't want to chase loose balls or battle physically at all. Shirt won't need washing for next match.

Coulson - 6 - not really tested, did the basics as you'd expect after coming on for seemingly injured Happe?
Johnson - 5 - barely touched the ball, says more about the service than the player I think. Fluffed his lines with a big chance at the end
Angol - 5 - he was present and ran around a bit, can't say much else

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:38 pm Absolute joke of a performance from Wright today.

Disgusting

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:35 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:00 pm Really poor game to watch with one moment of quality to break the deadlock. Switched off at the end in true Orient fashion but didn't deserve to win so can't argue wirh the result. Won't win many new customers playing such turgid football at home.

For me very much what you get with Ross Embleton in charge. Not quite relegation candidates but not much better.

Vigoroux - 7 - decent distribution, handling and routine stops. Commands the defence with far more confidence than Sargeant, as you'd expect from a senior pro. Should I dock a point for letting one in at the end, I'll leave the board to decide...

Brophy - 6 - MOTM untroubled defensively, brings ball out well, great strike for the goal. Equaliser came from his side though, need to watch that one back... Edit: having seen it docked him a point back down to 6
Ekpiteta - 6 -excellent comfortable and seems a bit more confident with ball at feet
Happe - 6 - as per Ekpiteta
Marsh - 6 - solid enough

Cissé - 6 - defensive shield, generally efficient passing. Get him signed up for next season.
Wright - 5 - control let him down at times, not his best game
Clay - 6 - still not convinced about him at this level but claims an assist today with the slide rule pass for the goal

JMD - 5 - anonymous
Sotiriou - 6 - hustle and bustle, but one too many touches in front of goal today. Despite that he has that excitement factor about him like Koroma... don't f**k up his contract extension Ling
Wilkinson - 4 - a budget Adam Boyd, nice skills but doesn't want to chase loose balls or battle physically at all. Shirt won't need washing for next match.

Coulson - 6 - not really tested, did the basics as you'd expect after coming on for seemingly injured Happe?
Johnson - 5 - barely touched the ball, says more about the service than the player I think. Fluffed his lines with a big chance at the end
Angol - 5 - he was present and ran around a bit, can't say much else

Re Edit required.

If you have docked Brophy a point in your original edit down to 6 then Vigoroux with 7 is now MOTM.

Bergen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:01 pm I agree with most of that RedO, but I though Marsh did much better. He provided a couple of good crosses.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:36 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:35 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:00 pm Really poor game to watch with one moment of quality to break the deadlock. Switched off at the end in true Orient fashion but didn't deserve to win so can't argue wirh the result. Won't win many new customers playing such turgid football at home.

For me very much what you get with Ross Embleton in charge. Not quite relegation candidates but not much better.

Vigoroux - 7 - decent distribution, handling and routine stops. Commands the defence with far more confidence than Sargeant, as you'd expect from a senior pro. Should I dock a point for letting one in at the end, I'll leave the board to decide...

Brophy - 6 - MOTM untroubled defensively, brings ball out well, great strike for the goal. Equaliser came from his side though, need to watch that one back... Edit: having seen it docked him a point back down to 6
Ekpiteta - 6 -excellent comfortable and seems a bit more confident with ball at feet
Happe - 6 - as per Ekpiteta
Marsh - 6 - solid enough

Cissé - 6 - defensive shield, generally efficient passing. Get him signed up for next season.
Wright - 5 - control let him down at times, not his best game
Clay - 6 - still not convinced about him at this level but claims an assist today with the slide rule pass for the goal

JMD - 5 - anonymous
Sotiriou - 6 - hustle and bustle, but one too many touches in front of goal today. Despite that he has that excitement factor about him like Koroma... don't f**k up his contract extension Ling
Wilkinson - 4 - a budget Adam Boyd, nice skills but doesn't want to chase loose balls or battle physically at all. Shirt won't need washing for next match.

Coulson - 6 - not really tested, did the basics as you'd expect after coming on for seemingly injured Happe?
Johnson - 5 - barely touched the ball, says more about the service than the player I think. Fluffed his lines with a big chance at the end
Angol - 5 - he was present and ran around a bit, can't say much else

Re Edit required.

If you have docked Brophy a point in your original edit down to 6 then Vigoroux with 7 is now MOTM.

Interesting, I don't tend to award the MOTM solely on highest rating. Can see the logic behind that route but Brophy on balance still our most effective player despite some criticism for the equaliser.

Vigoroux might yet get a late downgrade after seeing the highlights. Don't think he could do much with it, looked good strike low across goal like Brophy's at the other end. Replay will confirm it or whether his positioning could've been better.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:45 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:36 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:35 pm

Re Edit required.

If you have docked Brophy a point in your original edit down to 6 then Vigoroux with 7 is now MOTM.

Interesting, I don't tend to award the MOTM solely on highest rating. Can see the logic behind that route but Brophy on balance still our most effective player despite some criticism for the equaliser.

Vigoroux might yet get a late downgrade after seeing the highlights. Don't think he could do much with it, looked good strike low across goal like Brophy's at the other end. Replay will confirm it or whether his positioning could've been better.

Chief you are degrading your own ratings system with this weak defence. Just come clean and admit you got it wrong.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:49 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:45 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:36 pm

Interesting, I don't tend to award the MOTM solely on highest rating. Can see the logic behind that route but Brophy on balance still our most effective player despite some criticism for the equaliser.

Vigoroux might yet get a late downgrade after seeing the highlights. Don't think he could do much with it, looked good strike low across goal like Brophy's at the other end. Replay will confirm it or whether his positioning could've been better.

Chief you are degrading your own ratings system with this weak defence. Just come clean and admit you got it wrong.

You could be right there, tried something different today and wrote most out at HT, revising them as second half wore on. Left me more conflicted by the late goal than if I'd wrote them straight afterwards where Vigoroux and Brophy would likely have been dropped to 6's

Ratings system 5/10
Pitch 5/10 very bobbly
Tactics 4/10 still too negative

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:53 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:49 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:45 pm

Chief you are degrading your own ratings system with this weak defence. Just come clean and admit you got it wrong.

You could be right there, tried something different today and wrote most out at HT, revising them as second half wore on. Left me more conflicted by the late goal than if I'd wrote them straight afterwards where Vigoroux and Brophy would likely have been dropped to 6's

Ratings system 5/10
Pitch 5/10 very bobbly
Tactics 4/10 still too negative

It's worse than I thought as regards scientific rigour.

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:42 pm

Bergen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:01 pm I agree with most of that RedO, but I though Marsh did much better. He provided a couple of good crosses.

Two good crosses in 90+minutes of a home game against absolute poo poo where we had nearly all the ball says it all.
We are playing narrow without wingers, therefore it’s his job t get on and get balls in. Or at the very least show for the ball and try a forward pass once in a while.

Look what Brophy does from left back on the other side. The difference is like night and day,

Joe_Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:20 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:42 pm

Bergen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:01 pm I agree with most of that RedO, but I though Marsh did much better. He provided a couple of good crosses.

Two good crosses in 90+minutes of a home game against absolute poo poo where we had nearly all the ball says it all.
We are playing narrow without wingers, therefore it’s his job t get on and get balls in. Or at the very least show for the ball and try a forward pass once in a while.

Look what Brophy does from left back on the other side. The difference is like night and day,

On the left hand side, Brophy has a reasonable understanding and partnership with JMD which allows Brophy to get forward. Mustn't forget Brophy is also a winger.
Marsh on the other hand had absolutely no help down the right. Wilkinson offered him no outlet or target to hit and if a pass wasn't perfect he couldn't be arsed to break stride to go for it.