Independent Leyton Orient Forum

To pull there Money out & put the club up for sale

I feel personally, that the Learned ones who believe they are in a position to take over . "Do a better Job for the club".


If i was either of them & read this board id say

F*ck it time to go.
We have tried to do the right thing by everyone since June , yet it seems like its not quite enough.

Id tell Ross Danny & Jobi & Brillo to go find work somewhere else , this lot do not deserve you .
Who in there right minds would want to put up with the abuse received by them from the perpetrators of
this Coup de grace .

I think they are still aggrieved that Loft Hold there donations from the end of the bitchitis era & theyd actually like to start again ,
maybe at Low Hall Farm or Wadham Lodge.

If you do decide to go Nigel & Kent
Good luck with everything you do in the future

I apologise in advance for the cliche but it is a results based business.

We aren't getting the results. Its no more complicated than that.

You're not the only one that would wish them well. In fact every O's fan would, I'm sure.
That doesn't mean to say they're immune from any criticism. I'm sure even they would concede they have done 'some things' wrong.
Take all the accolades when things go well, take the knocks when they don't. Normal.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:25 pm You're not the only one that would wish them well. In fact every O's fan would, I'm sure.
That doesn't mean to say they're immune from any criticism. I'm sure even they would concede they have done 'some things' wrong.
Take all the accolades when things go well, take the knocks when they don't. Normal.

Couldn’t agree more.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:18 pm I apologise in advance for the cliche but it is a results based business.

We aren't getting the results. Its no more complicated than that.

I dont care Max

If as you claim ( like many of the learned ones do),
that Orient Supporters are garnering there support on a
" Results Based Business "
then they are a rather Stupid bunch of people

Personally, i think many base there support on Family & Friendship connections & the love & memories they have from bye gone days , with the hope of getting there again some time .

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:29 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:18 pm I apologise in advance for the cliche but it is a results based business.

We aren't getting the results. Its no more complicated than that.

I dont care Max

If as you claim ( like many of the learned ones do,
that Orient Supporters garnering there support on a
" Results Based Business "
then they are a rather Stupid bunch of people

Personally, i think many base there support on Family & Friendship connections & the love & memories they have from bye gone days , with the hope of getting there again some time .

The proof of the pudding will be the size of the crowd tonight and again on Saturday.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:25 pm You're not the only one that would wish them well. In fact every O's fan would, I'm sure.
That doesn't mean to say they're immune from any criticism. I'm sure even they would concede they have done 'some things' wrong.
Take all the accolades when things go well, take the knocks when they don't. Normal.

Only if circumstance is Normal .

ie this mess with Ross came about after Justin was sacked for a terrible start to the league campaign.

That is what was meant by "do the right thing by everybody".

Have the Learned ones contacted Loft about using the funds raised to help in a bid to buy T & T out ?

If not , what are they waiting for .

I keep seeing the stuff they post & they clearly believe they are in a better position to move The O's forward.

What are the delays ?

Write sentences. It’s like reading alphabet soup.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:34 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:29 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:18 pm I apologise in advance for the cliche but it is a results based business.

We aren't getting the results. Its no more complicated than that.

I dont care Max

If as you claim ( like many of the learned ones do,
that Orient Supporters garnering there support on a
" Results Based Business "
then they are a rather Stupid bunch of people

Personally, i think many base there support on Family & Friendship connections & the love & memories they have from bye gone days , with the hope of getting there again some time .

The proof of the pudding will be the size of the crowd tonight and again on Saturday.

The proof of the pudding will be when you & the others in the learned group , have persuaded LOFT to release funds & you arrange a deal & to pay a few quid a week till the deal is complete.

Therefore allowing you & your co learneds to move the O's forward.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:36 pm Write sentences. It’s like reading alphabet soup.

Sorry, youre syntax is abominable.
I didn't understand a word of that

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:29 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:18 pm I apologise in advance for the cliche but it is a results based business.

We aren't getting the results. Its no more complicated than that.

I dont care Max

If as you claim ( like many of the learned ones do),
that Orient Supporters are garnering there support on a
" Results Based Business "
then they are a rather Stupid bunch of people

Personally, i think many base there support on Family & Friendship connections & the love & memories they have from bye gone days , with the hope of getting there again some time .

It almost goes without saying that's not what I meant. But then you know that and you just want an argument.

Not sure why you are swinging behind the owners quite so uncritically when on and off the pitch the club is an utter shambles.

Onward to the Ryman League South is what I say.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:34 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:29 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:18 pm I apologise in advance for the cliche but it is a results based business.

We aren't getting the results. Its no more complicated than that.

I dont care Max

If as you claim ( like many of the learned ones do,
that Orient Supporters garnering there support on a
" Results Based Business "
then they are a rather Stupid bunch of people

Personally, i think many base there support on Family & Friendship connections & the love & memories they have from bye gone days , with the hope of getting there again some time .

The proof of the pudding will be the size of the crowd tonight and again on Saturday.

Just bear in mind mid week attendances are normally smaller than Saturday’s . People like me are stuck at work

Must admit I am missing tonight.200 mile round trip and early start tomorrow.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:06 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:29 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:18 pm I apologise in advance for the cliche but it is a results based business.

We aren't getting the results. Its no more complicated than that.

I dont care Max

If as you claim ( like many of the learned ones do),
that Orient Supporters are garnering there support on a
" Results Based Business "
then they are a rather Stupid bunch of people

Personally, i think many base there support on Family & Friendship connections & the love & memories they have from bye gone days , with the hope of getting there again some time .

It almost goes without saying that's not what I meant. But then you know that and you just want an argument.

Not sure why you are swinging behind the owners quite so uncritically when on and off the pitch the club is an utter shambles.

Onward to the Ryman League South is what I say.

I am not a Mind reader Max .
I didnt know what you meant at all.

I just responded to what you wrote.
Not looking for an argument at all.

Why is the Club an Utter Shambles Max ?
Is blindingly Obvious & it happened in June .

Recovering from such a drastic set of circumstances
Is meant to be Easy ?

Or do you believe like the other Fool that 3
months is the cut off point.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:39 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:06 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:29 pm

I dont care Max

If as you claim ( like many of the learned ones do),
that Orient Supporters are garnering there support on a
" Results Based Business "
then they are a rather Stupid bunch of people

Personally, i think many base there support on Family & Friendship connections & the love & memories they have from bye gone days , with the hope of getting there again some time .

It almost goes without saying that's not what I meant. But then you know that and you just want an argument.

Not sure why you are swinging behind the owners quite so uncritically when on and off the pitch the club is an utter shambles.

Onward to the Ryman League South is what I say.

I am not a Mind reader Max .
I didnt know what you meant at all.

I just responded to what you wrote.
Not looking for an argument at all.

Why is the Club in Utter Shambles Max ?
Is blindingly Obvious & it happened in June .

Recoverung from such a drastic set of circumstances
Is meant to be Easy ?

Or do you believe like the other Fool that 3
months is the cut off point.

What happened in June isn't the reason for our current situation. It arises from a serious of major errors made since then.

Recovering from Justin's death was never going to be easy. Of course it wasn't but it cannot be continually used as an excuse for current problems. And no I don't believe there is a cut off point the grieving process will continue but the poor decision making doesn't have to.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:44 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:39 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:06 pm

It almost goes without saying that's not what I meant. But then you know that and you just want an argument.

Not sure why you are swinging behind the owners quite so uncritically when on and off the pitch the club is an utter shambles.

Onward to the Ryman League South is what I say.

I am not a Mind reader Max .
I didnt know what you meant at all.

I just responded to what you wrote.
Not looking for an argument at all.

Why is the Club in Utter Shambles Max ?
Is blindingly Obvious & it happened in June .

Recoverung from such a drastic set of circumstances
Is meant to be Easy ?

Or do you believe like the other Fool that 3
months is the cut off point.

What happened in June isn't the reason for our current situation. It arises from a serious of major errors made since then.

Recovering from Justin's death was never going to be easy. Of course it wasn't but it cannot be continually used as an excuse for current problems. And no I don't believe there is a cut off point the grieving process will continue but the poor decision making doesn't have to.

Of course it is the reason

If Justin was still alive he would still be manager or
He would have been sacked & a proper manager would have been brought in to replace him

The Facts are just 1 in number


No decent manager worth his Salt would have come near us since June as it was a recipe for disaster .
Taking over a club whose muched loved boss had passed away.

Everything else is a disaster as a direct result of
Justins death.

At the risk of getting a load of abuse here, I'm fed up to the back teeth hearing about JE's passing in relation to how this club is run. It was a terrible thing to happen but let's now leave the grieving to his family and friends. I know he has friends still in the club but they are employees of the club first, and friends second I'm afraid.

We need to get the club back on to a professional footing where it is run positively - looking to the future only. There is zero point in looking back and second guessing what Justin might have done. If the current crop of management can't do this then they should go, en masse, and make way for new blood to come in and start afresh.

What a load of nonsense!!
No-one wants T&T to sell up
We appreciate all that they have done for the club
We love the fact that we won the NL and came close in the Trophy
Only the universe knows why JE was taken from his family, friends and LOFC
At that point the club had to make choices - some of which were OK others not so much
Results show we have problems and T&T, ML and RE are at the helm
We want them to make good choices - and get the club stable in the league
It's OK to be worried about our form - its really bad!
Hopefully we will survive and things will get better
If (and its a big if) we go down (even with the tragic events) - my guess is that almost every fan look to see who is accountable! It would say that our leaders are really getting it wrong big time (given our size / resources) and then perhaps the question of ownership would be properly valid

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:34 pm At the risk of getting a load of abuse here, I'm fed up to the back teeth hearing about JE's passing in relation to how this club is run. It was a terrible thing to happen but let's now leave the grieving to his family and friends. I know he has friends still in the club but they are employees of the club first, and friends second I'm afraid.

We need to get the club back on to a professional footing where it is run positively - looking to the future only. There is zero point in looking back and second guessing what Justin might have done. If the current crop of management can't do this then they should go, en masse, and make way for new blood to come in and start afresh.

Its not about Grieving.
Its about the reaction to dealing with that initially ,

Then everything else that has happened since.

Again if JE was alive, he'd be in charge or sacked.

A decent manager would have replaced him.

unfortunately he passed away
Ross bravely tried to make the best of.it .
As did everyone else at the club.
Ross wasnt ready to deal with working JE's job
Until the grieving was done for him personally .

Because JE passed away & decent managers didnt apply we were left with the fool who was Mr YES/No Fletcher.
He said he'd work a certain way & didnt.

Awaiting for people to say, ah but he realised the players were sh*te & needed replacing etc .
I say Codswallop .

Everyone was saying it after Swindon ripped us a New one.

"Because JE passed away & decent managers didnt apply we were left with the fool who was Mr YES/No Fletcher."

I thought we had quite a few apply.

Reflecto wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:35 pm What a load of nonsense!!
No-one wants T&T to sell up
We appreciate all that they have done for the club
We love the fact that we won the NL and came close in the Trophy
Only the universe knows why JE was taken from his family, friends and LOFC
At that point the club had to make choices - some of which were OK others not so much
Results show we have problems and T&T, ML and RE are at the helm
We want them to make good choices - and get the club stable in the league
It's OK to be worried about our form - its really bad!
Hopefully we will survive and things will get better
If (and its a big if) we go down (even with the tragic events) - my guess is that almost every fan look to see who is accountable! It would say that our leaders are really getting it wrong big time (given our size / resources) and then perhaps the question of ownership would be properly valid

There are a select few who are desperate
for Martin Ling to be gone,
There are a few im sure who wouldnt be bothered if T& T went as well.

Apparently there not experienced at owning a football club.
What does that even mean ?


Were The owners of Liverpool experienced before they bought them ?

Ah but they own he red sox

Yeah they do & they werent experienced in owning a baseball club untill they bought it.

The vast majority, over 99.99% want T and T to stay because off the pitch the club is doing well, and Danny Macklin should also take some credit. They are great owners, but have made an error or two and must accept that fans, who pay good money, have an opinion from time to time, especially as things are so bad ON the pitch.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:58 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:34 pm At the risk of getting a load of abuse here, I'm fed up to the back teeth hearing about JE's passing in relation to how this club is run. It was a terrible thing to happen but let's now leave the grieving to his family and friends. I know he has friends still in the club but they are employees of the club first, and friends second I'm afraid.

We need to get the club back on to a professional footing where it is run positively - looking to the future only. There is zero point in looking back and second guessing what Justin might have done. If the current crop of management can't do this then they should go, en masse, and make way for new blood to come in and start afresh.

Its not about Grieving.
Its about the reaction to dealing with that initially ,

Then everything else that has happened since.

Again if JE was alive, he'd be in charge or sacked.

A decent manager would have replaced him.

unfortunately he passed away
Ross bravely tried to make the best of.it .
As did everyone else at the club.
Ross wasnt ready to deal with working JE's job
Until the frieving was done for him personally .

Because JE passed away & decent managers didnt apply we were left with the fool who was Mr YES/No Fletcher.
He said he'd work a certain way & didnt.

Awaiting for people to say, ah but he realised the players were sh*te & needed replacing etc .
I say Codswallop .

Everyone was saying it after Swindon ripped us a New one.

I'm saying that the management should stop referring back to the passing of Justin as if that fully explains all the recent tribulations. We're a professional football club and the current management should be judged by their ongoing successes and failures, and that alone, no excuses. To be absolutely clear, I also believe that should have been the case for some time now.

As for T&T, Eaggw (whatever) stated it well a few days back. They're remote owners trusting in a local management team. There is nothing wrong with that and they put their trust in that local management team or why bother having them? However, I now hope that T&T have reached a point where they will be expecting their management team to perform - all of them - or leave the building. No more "it's been a difficult period"....

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:34 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:58 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:34 pm At the risk of getting a load of abuse here, I'm fed up to the back teeth hearing about JE's passing in relation to how this club is run. It was a terrible thing to happen but let's now leave the grieving to his family and friends. I know he has friends still in the club but they are employees of the club first, and friends second I'm afraid.

We need to get the club back on to a professional footing where it is run positively - looking to the future only. There is zero point in looking back and second guessing what Justin might have done. If the current crop of management can't do this then they should go, en masse, and make way for new blood to come in and start afresh.

Its not about Grieving.
Its about the reaction to dealing with that initially ,

Then everything else that has happened since.

Again if JE was alive, he'd be in charge or sacked.

A decent manager would have replaced him.

unfortunately he passed away
Ross bravely tried to make the best of.it .
As did everyone else at the club.
Ross wasnt ready to deal with working JE's job
Until the frieving was done for him personally .

Because JE passed away & decent managers didnt apply we were left with the fool who was Mr YES/No Fletcher.
He said he'd work a certain way & didnt.

Awaiting for people to say, ah but he realised the players were sh*te & needed replacing etc .
I say Codswallop .

Everyone was saying it after Swindon ripped us a New one.

I'm saying that the management should stop referring back to the passing of Justin as if that fully explains all the recent tribulations. We're a professional football club and the current management should be judged by their ongoing successes and failures, and that alone, no excuses. To be absolutely clear, I also believe that should have been the case for some time now.

As for T&T, Eaggw (whatever) stated it well a few days back. They're remote owners trusting in a local management team. There is nothing wrong with that and they put their trust in that local management team or why bother having them? However, I now hope that T&T have reached a point where they will be expecting their management team to perform - all of them - or leave the building. No more "it's been a difficult period"....

Agreed. But the major error was not to have a CEO working closely with the manager instead of a DoF.

All this DoF, Head Coach stuff isn't understood and isn't working for LOFC.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:34 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:58 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:34 pm At the risk of getting a load of abuse here, I'm fed up to the back teeth hearing about JE's passing in relation to how this club is run. It was a terrible thing to happen but let's now leave the grieving to his family and friends. I know he has friends still in the club but they are employees of the club first, and friends second I'm afraid.

We need to get the club back on to a professional footing where it is run positively - looking to the future only. There is zero point in looking back and second guessing what Justin might have done. If the current crop of management can't do this then they should go, en masse, and make way for new blood to come in and start afresh.

Its not about Grieving.
Its about the reaction to dealing with that initially ,

Then everything else that has happened since.

Again if JE was alive, he'd be in charge or sacked.

A decent manager would have replaced him.

unfortunately he passed away
Ross bravely tried to make the best of.it .
As did everyone else at the club.
Ross wasnt ready to deal with working JE's job
Until the frieving was done for him personally .

Because JE passed away & decent managers didnt apply we were left with the fool who was Mr YES/No Fletcher.
He said he'd work a certain way & didnt.

Awaiting for people to say, ah but he realised the players were sh*te & needed replacing etc .
I say Codswallop .

Everyone was saying it after Swindon ripped us a New one.

I'm saying that the management should stop referring back to the passing of Justin as if that fully explains all the recent tribulations. We're a professional football club and the current management should be judged by their ongoing successes and failures, and that alone, no excuses. To be absolutely clear, I also believe that should have been the case for some time now.

As for T&T, Eaggw (whatever) stated it well a few days back. They're remote owners trusting in a local management team. There is nothing wrong with that and they put their trust in that local management team or why bother having them? However, I now hope that T&T have reached a point where they will be expecting their management team to perform - all of them - or leave the building. No more "it's been a difficult period"....

Why should Ross be judged on Justins under performing Squad ?

Why should ML or T & T have
doubted Justins squads ability ?

He sanctioned the sale of Josh & Macca ,
He would have had input in those that were
bought into replace them.

Ross should only be judged on his
own Squad of players.

This is Justins Squad.
He moulded them he got them to believe.

Anyway got to dash , or ill be late for the game