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Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:08 am
by Story of O
While i never want us to lose, i fear that getting a result every few games will only keep things as they are. Continually losing might speed up the process of getting a new manager.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:01 am
by Disoriented
Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:08 am
While i never want us to lose, i fear that getting a result every few games will only keep things as they are. Continually losing might speed up the process of getting a new manager.
Very interesting point. It is a real dilemma.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:51 am
by Thor
I don’t think it matters as the club seem he’ll bent on RE being given the job. As talking heads once sang “were on the road to nowhere”
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:23 am
by Fellowo
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:51 am
I don’t think it matters as the club seem he’ll bent on RE being given the job. As talking heads once sang “were on the road to nowhere”
Genuine question my friend, how long have you been supporting the O's?
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:47 am
by redintheface
Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:08 am
While i never want us to lose, i fear that getting a result every few games will only keep things as they are. Continually losing might speed up the process of getting a new manager.
I think it was Kent Teague who made the comment that the owners wouldn’t let things “ unravel” so I’m confident that action will be taken at some point in time if the team continues to underperform. It just seems to me that at the present moment there is a growing disconnect between the Board and many fans as to the timing of that action and it’s nature. There certainly could be a number of factors behind the current situation - RE’s reluctance/ uncertainty about taking the step up to HC permanently, the Board having the same reluctance/ uncertainty about committing to RE , fear of a second “ Fletchergate” if we try to recruit now especially given the seeming dearth of good quality candidates within the clubs budgetary scope etc, etc.
Whatever the precise cause there’s little doubt that the “ do nothing “ option is not one that is working too well at the moment.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:57 am
by Disoriented
redintheface wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:47 am
Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:08 am
While i never want us to lose, i fear that getting a result every few games will only keep things as they are. Continually losing might speed up the process of getting a new manager.
I think it was Kent Teague who made the comment that the owners wouldn’t let things “ unravel” so I’m confident that action will be taken at some point in time if the team continues to underperform. It just seems to me that at the present moment there is a growing disconnect between the Board and many fans as to the timing of that action and it’s nature. There certainly could be a number of factors behind the current situation - RE’s reluctance/ uncertainty about taking the step up to HC permanently, the Board having the same reluctance/ uncertainty about committing to RE , fear of a second “ Fletchergate” if we try to recruit now especially given the seeming dearth of good quality candidates within the clubs budgetary scope etc, etc.
Whatever the precise cause there’s little doubt that the “ do nothing “ option is not one that is working too well at the moment.
Good points, but there is a simple way to avoid Fletchergate 2 - get rid of Martin Ling.
All very simple.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:02 pm
by Thor
Fellowo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:23 am
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:51 am
I don’t think it matters as the club seem he’ll bent on RE being given the job. As talking heads once sang “were on the road to nowhere”
Genuine question my friend, how long have you been supporting the O's?
45 years.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:29 pm
by whittle81
The Board will likely be pleased with recent away results and as it supposed to be harder to win or draw away, so no change as things stand results wise.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:56 pm
by Fellowo
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:02 pm
Fellowo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:23 am
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:51 am
I don’t think it matters as the club seem he’ll bent on RE being given the job. As talking heads once sang “were on the road to nowhere”
Genuine question my friend, how long have you been supporting the O's?
45 years.
Then where has all this 'looking for the club to be ambitious' come from lol.
I'm 35 years in and at any point has the club looked to be more ambitious, something comes along to scupper it.
It almost feels like we are cursed.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:36 pm
by Thor
Maybe we all need to wee in the corner flags?
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:44 pm
by Long slender neck
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:02 pm
Fellowo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:23 am
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:51 am
I don’t think it matters as the club seem he’ll bent on RE being given the job. As talking heads once sang “were on the road to nowhere”
Genuine question my friend, how long have you been supporting the O's?
45 years.
How old are you then?
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:45 pm
by Thor
Just turned 50
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:47 pm
by Long slender neck
Why are so many of you so itchy to get another manager? Did you learn nothing from the FB era? Results are acceptable for the current squad and circumstances. Let Ross have some time to settle and learn, nothing good comes from the instability of changing managers every few months.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:47 pm
by Long slender neck
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:45 pmJust turned 50
Higher than your IQ.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:48 pm
by Thor
Actually Mensa IQ 149
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:50 pm
by gshaw
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:47 pm
Why are so many of you so itchy to get another manager? Did you learn nothing from the FB era? Results are acceptable for the current squad and circumstances. Let Ross have some time to settle and learn, nothing good comes from the instability of changing managers every few months.
Because it's clear to many Embleton is well out of his depth as a manager. OK as an assistant, not in the main role.
People wanted an experienced manager brought in when Ling went left-field and appointed Fletcher. That would've been stability but blame the DoF for that spectacular failure.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:53 pm
by Long slender neck
Results are fine so he's not out of his depth.
Ling didn't appoint Fletcher.
Better luck with your next post.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:00 pm
by Lucky7
Same old same old just a different thread title
Now where’s my knitting
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:05 pm
by Thor
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:53 pm
Results are fine so he's not out of his depth.
Ling didn't appoint Fletcher.
Better luck with your next post.
I disagree with you. 6 points from the last 6 games or 7 points from the last 10 games. Both stats are relegation form and candidates.
Ling nominated fletch as his preferred candidate, so yes he had a massive say in his appointment. The board looked at his short list and interviewed them all and if you recall correctly the final list of 4 was cut to 2 due to 2 candidates dropping out as they could not bring their own staff with them. So the rest of the board had a decision to make against 2 candidates. I think it’s safe to say Ling failed the club in his recruitment “process”.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:15 pm
by gshaw
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:53 pm
Results are fine so he's not out of his depth.
Ling didn't appoint Fletcher.
Better luck with your next post.
Results are not fine while we're in the bottom 8
Ling had the majority input in choosing Fletcher. Semantics of whether he signed the contract is neither here nor there.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:32 pm
by Long slender neck
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:05 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:53 pm
Results are fine so he's not out of his depth.
Ling didn't appoint Fletcher.
Better luck with your next post.
I disagree with you. 6 points from the last 6 games or 7 points from the last 10 games. Both stats are relegation form and candidates.
Ling nominated fletch as his preferred candidate, so yes he had a massive say in his appointment. The board looked at his short list and interviewed them all and if you recall correctly the final list of 4 was cut to 2 due to 2 candidates dropping out as they could not bring their own staff with them. So the rest of the board had a decision to make against 2 candidates. I think it’s safe to say Ling failed the club in his recruitment “process”.
1 loss in 5 games is another way of looking at results.
Did Ling nominate Fletcher as his preferred candidate? Prove it. All I know is he was shortlisted and the panel chose him.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:52 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:47 pm
Why are so many of you so itchy to get another manager? Did you learn nothing from the FB era? Results are acceptable for the current squad and circumstances. Let Ross have some time to settle and learn, nothing good comes from the instability of changing managers every few months.
I just hope Ross knows who to sign this month and for what position . If he gets it wrong we could be in big trouble come the end of the season.
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:58 pm
by Long slender neck
Surely the usual suspects will blame Ling though?
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:06 pm
by Disoriented
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:53 pm
Results are fine so he's not out of his depth.
Ling didn't appoint Fletcher.
Better luck with your next post.
Results are fine?
Re: Do we need to keep losing to go forward
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:57 pm
by Long slender neck
Okay, you were right.
