Liars / Gullible Thickos 1 - The Rest 0

[Disoriented]

A sad day for the country and an ever sadder one for the truth.

[spen666]

It's very sad when people like you do not appear to understand democracy.


The public have rejected Labour rather than embraced the Tories.


The Public share of the vote for labour has gone down far more than the Tory share has increased.


The Labour manifesto was convincingly rejected. That is down to what the Labour party offered. It's not the public's fault that Labour were so out of touch with them


Abusing and insulting the electorate is never a vote winner

[Sid Bishop]

It's very sad when people like you do not appear to understand democracy.


The public have rejected Labour rather than embraced the Tories.


The Public share of the vote for labour has gone down far more than the Tory share has increased.


The Labour manifesto was convincingly rejected. That is down to what the Labour party offered. It's my the public's fault that Labour were so out of touch


Abusing and insulting the electorate is never a vote winner

That cannot be right, this election MUST be re-run till we get the RIGHT RESULT for as Gina Miller has said MANY TIMES..... ''The people did not know what they voted for'' ?
Or just maybe..........they DID know what they voted for !!

[LittleMate]

I got a pal who lives in Burnley. To quote him "It tells you everything you need to know about Corbyn when Burnley Heywood and Hyndburn voted Tory".

[greyhound]

reality is that labour went against millions of there voters.
it has now come back to bite them. they say it could be as many as 78seats.

[Real Al]

It's very sad when people like you do not appear to understand democracy.


The public have rejected Labour rather than embraced the Tories.


The Public share of the vote for labour has gone down far more than the Tory share has increased.


The Labour manifesto was convincingly rejected. That is down to what the Labour party offered. It's my the public's fault that Labour were so out of touch


Abusing and insulting the electorate is never a vote winner

So, you're backing Indyref2 then Spenny?

[Beradogs]

I cant understand what the "Left" is complaining about.It won the social and economic debate a long time ago, especially in Europe.Every major country is ruled in essentially the same way: a regulated "free market" in goods and services buttressed by a huge Government run social system which no where consumes less than 35% of GDP.Every election in most countries is basically a contest between bureaucrats as to who seems most capable of running the system most efficiently.Johnson was deemed the better. Nothing to get stressed about.

[Scuba Diver]

No doubt one of the reasons the Labour vote plummeted so disastrously was due to the bitter, graceless, caterwauling and mewling by a small but very loud number of it's supporters.

Ordinary people don't like being told what to do, or what to think, by zealots.

All nicely embodied by this thread in the title.

The Tories haven't 'won' as such, it's more that Labour has handed them victory on a plate. Personally I was hoping for some balance; as the Tories are, mostly; dreadful, but this was impossible to foresee under Corbyn's potential premiership.

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[Lovejoy]

The British public 1 Far left Labour 0

[Fanny]

Let’s be realistic, this is all about Brexit.

Labour have been decimated in the North and Midlands. Why? Because lots of people in these places genuinely believe that Brexit will make their lives better.

Personally, I fail to see how it will. And if holding that opinion means that I apparently hate democracy, then so be it.

Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving, and now it has given us 5 years of a Johnson lead government.

Who knows, maybe Brexit will be the golden egg which brightens the lives of those currently struggling. I can’t see how it will myself.

Many choose to make this general election about a single issue. The problem is that running a country is much more than a single issue endeavour.

Let’s see how the next couple of years pan out. My suspicion is that come 2024 there are going to be a lot of bitterly disappointed people in these swing seats who sold their souls to the Tories and get nothing in return.

If the Labour Party has any sense then it will realise that the British public simply will not elect somebody who is deemed too “far left”, or “too socialist” or “a Marxist”. Whether or not those labels are accurate is irrelevant.

I do find it interesting that the media have denigrated Corbyn so much, a complete character assassination, that they can’t possibly try to suggest that whoever takes over is worse.

[ContrifibulatoryFred]

The 5 visits made to my door by Labour canvassers went like this:
Please vote for Faheem in Woodford and Chingford
Me: Why should I vote for her?
Them: coz she lives in the borough and not a big house somewhere else!
Me: and?
Them: it will help get rid of Ian Duncan Smith!

That’s not political - it’s just personal. It was anti-campaigning and not true canvassing.
Having personal knowledge of a few individuals who have in the past written to IDS when they have been in deep trouble - and seen him step in to help, I believe that the arguments put forward by these activists were spurious. They wanted to rubbish IDS without recognising that (whatever you think about him personally) he has been a conscientious MP for his constituents.

Before you all choke, I voted Lib Dem

[Scuba Diver]

I had two canvassers knock at my door:

The Labour bloke looked like a street-drinker, and I informed him of this.
Hard for most people to 'relate' to someone who is seeking to earn governance that can't even dress themselves properly.

The Tory bloke looked like a total dog's dinner - more at home at a wedding, than on the streets of Westcliff. I informed him of this.
Hard for most people to relate to someone who is clearly trying too hard, in an area where many people are short of cash.

The Lib-Dems never showed up

[bobo66]

Let’s see how the next couple of years pan out. My suspicion is that come 2024 there are going to be a lot of bitterly disappointed people in these swing seats who sold their souls to the Tories and get nothing in return.

If the Labour Party has any sense then it will realise that the British public simply will not elect somebody who is deemed too “far left”, or “too socialist” or “a Marxist”. Whether or not those labels are accurate is irrelevant.

I do find it interesting that the media have denigrated Corbyn so much, a complete character assassination, that they can’t possibly try to suggest that whoever takes over is worse.

The first point - Isn't this what always happens. Under any government, those that do well continue to do well and those that struggle continue to struggle. The colour of the government makes little difference.

As to the second point - Johnson is dishonest and this has been shown time and time again, but it doesn't stop people voting for him. To my mind Jeremy Corbyn has been shown to be honest. You might not like what he stands for, but at least he is consistent.

[E10EU]

I got a pal who lives in Burnley. To quote him "It tells you everything you need to know about Corbyn when Burnley Heywood and Hyndburn voted Tory".

It says a lot more about your pal who lives in Burnley.

[Dunners]

….Johnson is dishonest and this has been shown time and time again, but it doesn't stop people voting for him. To my mind Jeremy Corbyn has been shown to be honest. You might not like what he stands for, but at least he is consistent.

The polls were largely consistent this time. There were plenty of results that showed that, while people thought Corbyn was more honest and trustworthy, they still though Johnson was more 'Prime Ministerial'.

[Fanny]

Let’s see how the next couple of years pan out. My suspicion is that come 2024 there are going to be a lot of bitterly disappointed people in these swing seats who sold their souls to the Tories and get nothing in return.

If the Labour Party has any sense then it will realise that the British public simply will not elect somebody who is deemed too “far left”, or “too socialist” or “a Marxist”. Whether or not those labels are accurate is irrelevant.

I do find it interesting that the media have denigrated Corbyn so much, a complete character assassination, that they can’t possibly try to suggest that whoever takes over is worse.

The first point - Isn't this what always happens. Under any government, those that do well continue to do well and those that struggle continue to struggle. The colour of the government makes little difference.

As to the second point - Johnson is dishonest and this has been shown time and time again, but it doesn't stop people voting for him. To my mind Jeremy Corbyn has been shown to be honest. You might not like what he stands for, but at least he is consistent.

Lots of people really don’t care if Johnson is a serial liar, philanderer, expresses mild racism and comes from a family of nasty elitists as long as they get their precious Brexit.

That’s the sad truth.

[Dunners]

It wasn't just about people wanting Brexit.

It was also about people not wanting Corbyn.

[spen666]

Let’s see how the next couple of years pan out. My suspicion is that come 2024 there are going to be a lot of bitterly disappointed people in these swing seats who sold their souls to the Tories and get nothing in return.

If the Labour Party has any sense then it will realise that the British public simply will not elect somebody who is deemed too “far left”, or “too socialist” or “a Marxist”. Whether or not those labels are accurate is irrelevant.

I do find it interesting that the media have denigrated Corbyn so much, a complete character assassination, that they can’t possibly try to suggest that whoever takes over is worse.

The first point - Isn't this what always happens. Under any government, those that do well continue to do well and those that struggle continue to struggle. The colour of the government makes little difference.

As to the second point - Johnson is dishonest and this has been shown time and time again, but it doesn't stop people voting for him. To my mind Jeremy Corbyn has been shown to be honest. You might not like what he stands for, but at least he is consistent.

Honest in denying his terrorism links?
Honest in denying his failure to act upon anti semitism in his own party?

However, it matter not what you personally spoke. The country has spoken and rejected the Labour offering. A reduction of 8% in the poll is significant

The nation has chosen it rejects him and his marxist based ideals

[Chicken Dhansak]

All my life I have voted Labour when they were run by decent people and had definite agendas. With the present Labour leader
not having a definitive programme for Brexit, the vile racism within his party, for which he never said sorry even at party level,
the continued blocking of the Brexit deals, pomises he could never have kept without bankrupting the country, and the sheer
arrogance of the man, I simply could not vote for Labour. Perhaps, in the future, when the Labour party gets a decent, sensible
leader, then I shall go back to my roots.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Abusing and insulting the electorate is never a vote winner

It’s working just fine for one individual.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

All my life I have voted Labour when they were run by decent people and had definite agendas. With the present Labour leader
not having a definitive programme for Brexit, the vile racism within his party, for which he never said sorry even at party level,
the continued blocking of the Brexit deals, pomises he could never have kept without bankrupting the country, and the sheer
arrogance of the man, I simply could not vote for Labour. Perhaps, in the future, when the Labour party gets a decent, sensible
leader, then I shall go back to my roots.

Does this include decent people like Blair, Gilso?

[Sid Bishop]

No doubt one of the reasons the Labour vote plummeted so disastrously was due to the bitter, graceless, caterwauling and mewling by a small but very loud number of it's supporters.

Ordinary people don't like being told what to do, or what to think, by zealots.

All nicely embodied by this thread in the title.

The Tories haven't 'won' as such, it's more that Labour has handed them victory on a plate. Personally I was hoping for some balance; as the Tories are, mostly; dreadful, but this was impossible to foresee under Corbyn's potential premiership.

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In other words..........you must have no other opinion other than what we tell you to think.
If you disagree then woe betide you, ''Big Brother Socialism knows best '' !

[redintheface]

A sad day for the country and an ever sadder one for the truth.

On the contrary. Perhaps we can now get back to having a Labour Party that represents the majority of working class people in this country not one that is dominated by a group of elite Twitter fanatics who are stuck in their own echo chamber.

[EastDerehamO]

Brexit has polarised society over here, not everyone mind, but too many people have not been mature enough to accept the democratic vote of the people expressed in the referendum, which isn’t healthy, and too many of them were MPs in the last parliament, and by doing all they could to thwart Brexit they have just perpetuated division and raised levels of anger in the country. It is rather ironic that many of those would consider themselves progressive and liberal and tolerant.

But enough of the people haven’t taken kindly to that, me included, and thankfully parliament has been rebalanced (as it was always going to be at some point). I hope that serves as a warning for all MPs and governments in the future.

And to the Labour Party I used to vote for, I agree redintheface, get back to your roots and real working people and out the bubble you are in.

[Mikero]

"and by doing all they could to thwart Brexit"

Please remember that both the right and left wings of the Tory party had as much to do with that as any other party, if they had voted for May's deal in the first place it would have had a better chance of being passed first time.

Mikero