Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:34 pm
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Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:37 pm
Master Abbott has as many convictions for assault as you and I.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:40 pm
Bravo !
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:50 pm
Tut tut tut. Tries to suppress a news story about her son. How many more times is this women going to tell you lefties do as i say and not what I do. I think she should resign for bringing her position as shadow home secretary in to disrepute.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:53 pm
Of interest is why police refused him bail & kept him in custody for court on Monday .
The starting position is everyone is entitled to unconditional bail unless one of the exemptions apply...
Substantial grounds to believe he would fail to surrender to bail or
substantial grounds to believe he would commit offences whilst on bail
Or substantial grounds to believe he would interfere with prosecution witnesses are the most common exceptions
......
[I have deleted rest of post re reasons for refusing bail as a result of information I have received. In view of this I dont think it's fair to Diane Abbott or the accused to say more re reasons for refusing bail]
The starting position is everyone is entitled to unconditional bail unless one of the exemptions apply...
Substantial grounds to believe he would fail to surrender to bail or
substantial grounds to believe he would commit offences whilst on bail
Or substantial grounds to believe he would interfere with prosecution witnesses are the most common exceptions
......
[I have deleted rest of post re reasons for refusing bail as a result of information I have received. In view of this I dont think it's fair to Diane Abbott or the accused to say more re reasons for refusing bail]
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:53 pm
Maybe.
Having clicked on the link I was surprised and amazed at how far right the headlines leaned. Thought I'd go and see what the online guardian was saying and it was far more modest/balanced.
Having clicked on the link I was surprised and amazed at how far right the headlines leaned. Thought I'd go and see what the online guardian was saying and it was far more modest/balanced.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:58 pm
Not sure there is more to sayLittleMate wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:53 pm Maybe.
Having clicked on the link I was surprised and amazed at how far right the headlines leaned. Thought I'd go and see what the online guardian was saying and it was far more modest/balanced.
Her son was arrested for 3 offences, charged, refused bail by the police and bailed on Monday by the courts
Not much to spin, but would be interested to link to Guardian version of story
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:09 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:37 pm Master Abbott has as many convictions for assault as you and I.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:09 pm
Thought you were all about defending the good name of the accused until they have been convicted? Or does that only apply to those accused of noncing?
Very peculiar set of principles you have there.
Very peculiar set of principles you have there.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:10 pm
Are you sure about that?Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:37 pm Master Abbott has as many convictions for assault as you and I.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:11 pm
Hogwash, what information?spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:53 pm Of interest is why police refused him bail & kept him in custody for court on Monday .
The starting position is everyone is entitled to unconditional bail unless one of the exemptions apply...
Substantial grounds to believe he would fail to surrender to bail or
substantial grounds to believe he would commit offences whilst on bail
Or substantial grounds to believe he would interfere with prosecution witnesses are the most common exceptions
......
[I have deleted rest of post re reasons for refusing bail as a result of information I have received. In view of this I dont think it's fair to Diane Abbott or the accused to say more re reasons for refusing bail]
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:14 pm
It will all come out in due course (or not) .Thor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:11 pmHogwash, what information?spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:53 pm Of interest is why police refused him bail & kept him in custody for court on Monday .
The starting position is everyone is entitled to unconditional bail unless one of the exemptions apply...
Substantial grounds to believe he would fail to surrender to bail or
substantial grounds to believe he would commit offences whilst on bail
Or substantial grounds to believe he would interfere with prosecution witnesses are the most common exceptions
......
[I have deleted rest of post re reasons for refusing bail as a result of information I have received. In view of this I dont think it's fair to Diane Abbott or the accused to say more re reasons for refusing bail]
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:31 pm
I read two accounts of assault by beating (the article said he was aledegly biting the police officers concerned) and 1 account under section 4 which is almost certain to be threatening behaviour.
Not sure Spen what stops you from saying what I’ve said?
Not sure Spen what stops you from saying what I’ve said?
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:48 am
Are you saying you have been convicted for assault ?spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:10 pmAre you sure about that?Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:37 pm Master Abbott has as many convictions for assault as you and I.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:47 am
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:48 am
It puts a different spin on Ms Abbotts opposition to the use by police of sput hoods, when her son is alleged to have chosen to spit at a police officer
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:51 am
He's innocent until proven guilty. And let's be honest it won't be the first time the Met have brought ludicrous and trumped up charges against an innocent man. They've got form.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:02 pm
You are usually the first to say 'innocent until proven guilty', cant think why you arent taking that stance this time.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:09 pm
An article that states abbots son has been convicted of a
crime the same amout of times as me
Never.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:13 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:02 pmYou are usually the first to say 'innocent until proven guilty', cant think why you arent taking that stance this time.
Erm at no point have I said or even suggested he is guilty.
Diane Abbotts son has however been charged with 3 offences , 2 of which are assaults on Emergency Workers.
It could be rather embarrassing for a future Home Secretary and responsible for the police, that her son is accused of assaulting the police , including by spitting at them,when she has spoken out against police using spit hoods.
Stop making things up I gave never said Dianne Abbotts son is guilty.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:14 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:51 amHe's innocent until proven guilty. And let's be honest it won't be the first time the Met have brought ludicrous and trumped up charges against an innocent man. They've got form.
I think you will find the met police achieve a conviction rate of in excess of 90% of cases charged
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:16 pm
Relentless.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:16 pm
Respentless.
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:16 pm
Which only proves my point. Who else has such high conviction rates outside China.spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:14 pmMax B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:51 amHe's innocent until proven guilty. And let's be honest it won't be the first time the Met have brought ludicrous and trumped up charges against an innocent man. They've got form.
I think you will find the met police achieve a conviction rate of in excess of 90% of cases charged
Re: Well,This Could Be A Trifle Embarrassing
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:19 pm
Abbott won't get the gig if Labour are elected but given some of the things our current Home Secretary has been up to, not to mention her attitude towards people in need, I know who I would choose.