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Another ML mystery?

Goodness knows.

Although it might be something to do with the fact that the one loan player we do have barely gets his boots dirty.

I do despair. Loan players are the only option we have right now to shake up the team, but our record in using them is terrible. You only have to watch the Championship highlights on Quest to see the difference that Chelsea loanees are making at several clubs.

It's yet another pointer at the comfort and complacency culture within the club. Marsh looks like a token effort and should be playing in a midfield that has been woeful for weeks. I wouldn't blame him for clearing off early, he would definitely get a regular gig somewhere else.

A can’t think of any successful loan players in recent season.

Except Ebou....

Loan window is shut. Is that Ling's fault too?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:10 am

No swear words! That’s refreshing.

I’m more confused about why the one loan player doesn’t get more opportunities to play.

oxo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:32 pm I’m more confused about why the one loan player doesn’t get more opportunities to play.

Because he's not really stood out when had the chance, he does ok but not really been any better than what we've got - which is saying something.

Fellowo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:40 pm

oxo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:32 pm I’m more confused about why the one loan player doesn’t get more opportunities to play.

Because he's not really stood out when had the chance, he does ok but not really been any better than what we've got - which is saying something.

Fair enough.

cockhat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:29 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:10 am

No swear words! That’s refreshing.

No point in swearing at an Omadhaun .

If people understood what they are saying .

Seriously its like person A teaches person B
How to tell the time only for person B to keep asking what the time is.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:12 am Loan window is shut. Is that Ling's fault too?

The club knows the calendar and needs to act when it’s open not wait until it closes then say too late now.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:40 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:12 am Loan window is shut. Is that Ling's fault too?

The club knows the calendar and needs to act when it’s open not wait until it closes then say too late now.

So Ling is not blessed with seeing into to future ?
Blimey Expectations of a Human Being are being
over estimated massively.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:45 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:40 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:12 am Loan window is shut. Is that Ling's fault too?

The club knows the calendar and needs to act when it’s open not wait until it closes then say too late now.

So Ling is not belssed with seeing into to future ?
Blimey Expectations of a Human Being are being
over estimated massively.

Club knew the calendar when starting the season without the squad depth to cope in this league, plus the injuries that were already apparent from pre-season.

3 strikers out, 2 in (+1 who should've stayed on transfer list)
2 CMs out, 1 pro in plus youth loan who doesn't play
1 GK out, 0 in

Simple fact in pure numbers we didn't strengthen the squad, especially when you consider we sold strikers worth 35+ goals who were a critical component of our success.

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:02 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:45 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:40 pm

The club knows the calendar and needs to act when it’s open not wait until it closes then say too late now.

So Ling is not belssed with seeing into to future ?
Blimey Expectations of a Human Being are being
over estimated massively.

Club knew the calendar when starting the season without the squad depth to cope in this league, plus the injuries that were already apparent from pre-season.

3 strikers out, 2 in (+1 who should've stayed on transfer list)
2 CMs out, 1 pro in plus youth loan who doesn't play
1 GK out, 0 in

Simple fact in pure numbers we didn't strengthen the squad, especially when you consider we sold strikers worth 35+ goals who were a critical component of our success.

Seeing into the future is an amusing comment. Plenty on this forum have predicted correctly the issues on the playing side and more recently the appointment of Fletcher without the aid of a crystal ball.

It it hardly surprising that some fans get uptight when the bleeding obvious comes to fruition.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:15 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:02 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:45 pm

So Ling is not belssed with seeing into to future ?
Blimey Expectations of a Human Being are being
over estimated massively.

Club knew the calendar when starting the season without the squad depth to cope in this league, plus the injuries that were already apparent from pre-season.

3 strikers out, 2 in (+1 who should've stayed on transfer list)
2 CMs out, 1 pro in plus youth loan who doesn't play
1 GK out, 0 in

Simple fact in pure numbers we didn't strengthen the squad, especially when you consider we sold strikers worth 35+ goals who were a critical component of our success.

Seeing into the future is an amusing comment. Plenty on this forum have predicted correctly the issues on the playing side and more recently the appointment of Fletcher without the aid of a crystal ball.

It it hardly surprising that some fans get uptight when the bleeding obvious comes to fruition.

So why did Justin Edinburgh say
Im going with the players who got us up
With maybe 1 or 2 in & 1 or 2 out in an
Interview not long before he died ?

So future gazing & going with what JE
wanted after he passed away.

What would you do ?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:38 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:15 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:02 pm

Club knew the calendar when starting the season without the squad depth to cope in this league, plus the injuries that were already apparent from pre-season.

3 strikers out, 2 in (+1 who should've stayed on transfer list)
2 CMs out, 1 pro in plus youth loan who doesn't play
1 GK out, 0 in

Simple fact in pure numbers we didn't strengthen the squad, especially when you consider we sold strikers worth 35+ goals who were a critical component of our success.

Seeing into the future is an amusing comment. Plenty on this forum have predicted correctly the issues on the playing side and more recently the appointment of Fletcher without the aid of a crystal ball.

It it hardly surprising that some fans get uptight when the bleeding obvious comes to fruition.

So why did Justin Edinburgh say
Im going with the players who got us up in an
With maybe 1 or 2 in & 1 or 2 out
Interview not long before he died ?

So future gazing & going with what JE
wanted after he passed away.

What would you do ?

JE was a different quality of manager and I have absolutely no doubt had he been with us today we would be, with the same squad, pushing for the playoffs.

But tragically that is not the case, therefore it’s up to the new regime to consider their abilities and limitations when looking forward and make their own judgements on squad requirements, which given such limitations, likely means improvements in players just to stand still. A situation we are all seeing.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:49 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:38 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:15 pm

Seeing into the future is an amusing comment. Plenty on this forum have predicted correctly the issues on the playing side and more recently the appointment of Fletcher without the aid of a crystal ball.

It it hardly surprising that some fans get uptight when the bleeding obvious comes to fruition.

So why did Justin Edinburgh say
Im going with the players who got us up in an
With maybe 1 or 2 in & 1 or 2 out
Interview not long before he died ?

So future gazing & going with what JE
wanted after he passed away.

What would you do ?

JE was a different quality of manager and I have absolutely no doubt had he been with us today we would be, with the same squad, pushing for the playoffs.

But tragically that is not the case, therefore it’s up to the new regime to consider their abilities and limitations when looking forward and make their own judgements on squad requirements, which given such limitations, likely means improvements in players just to stand still. A situation we are all seeing.

So Ross will turn it around
He started to be before he decided to stand aside because of the abuse thrown his way.
Probably felt like , if this lot are going to slaughter me all over social media i wont bother.

Then Numpty Fletcher goes against what he said in Job Interviews & destroys players
Confidence, that needs rebuilding.

How can we need loans from No Justin
To no loans with Justin point of view.

Allow people the time to build .
End of Story .

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:55 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:49 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:38 pm

So why did Justin Edinburgh say
Im going with the players who got us up in an
With maybe 1 or 2 in & 1 or 2 out
Interview not long before he died ?

So future gazing & going with what JE
wanted after he passed away.

What would you do ?

JE was a different quality of manager and I have absolutely no doubt had he been with us today we would be, with the same squad, pushing for the playoffs.

But tragically that is not the case, therefore it’s up to the new regime to consider their abilities and limitations when looking forward and make their own judgements on squad requirements, which given such limitations, likely means improvements in players just to stand still. A situation we are all seeing.

So Ross will turn it around
He started to be before he decided to stand aside because of the abuse thrown his way.
Probably felt like , if this lot are going to slaughter me all over social media i wont bother.

Then Numpty Fletcher goes against what he said in Job Interviews & destroys players
Confidence, that needs rebuilding.

How can we need loans from No Justin
To no loans with Justin point of view.

Allow people the time to build .
End of Story .

I think the bottom line Is tragically Justin is not with us. He will never be forgotten. But in my opinion the time has come whereby we need to move forward without constantly referring back to what he may or may not have done. That is incredibly unfair on Ross for example. Big boots to fill.

Ross needs to be judged on what he does. I for one hope he turns out to be a Premier League class manager of the future. But right now I’ll settle for not going down.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:55 pm Allow people the time to build .
End of Story .

Question... given these two scenarios (we're doing hypothetical here so no "it'll never happen" clauses) would you rather...

1) stay up in mid-table with a new manager, including demoting / paying off Embleton and Webb as part of the process

2) get relegated with Embleton at the helm but doing what the club see as the "right" thing by the "culture" and have to rebuild again from NL level

I do think there's a chunk of the supporters who would actually be happier with 2 than 1. Seems keeping people happy is now more important than results on pitch and our League status.

Blimey its November .

I gaurentee you we ar not going down this year .
In Fact ill say it now .

We will never drop out of the league again.

Supporting a Football club is just about turning up on a Saturday .
Discussions are fine.
Now we agree that Point of JE, We dont need loan players RE we do need loan players, is utter nonsense we can clarify the original posters question.

1.Long term loans are done the same way as transfers are.
During transfer Windows.

2 Short term or Youth loans can be done at any time.
(Within EFL rules).

3 Playing budgets probably dictate why not more & also to some extent those here would involve some sort of payment by us towards the players wages.

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:10 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:55 pm Allow people the time to build .
End of Story .

Question... given these two scenarios (we're doing hypothetical here so no "it'll never happen" clauses) would you rather...

1) stay up in mid-table with a new manager, including demoting / paying off Embleton and Webb as part of the process

2) get relegated with Embleton at the helm but doing what the club see as the "right" thing by the "culture" and have to rebuild again from NL level

I do think there's a chunk of the supporters who would actually be happier with 2 than 1. Seems keeping people happy is now more important than results on pitch and our League status.

Im not doing predict the future with options like that.

Only a pure pessimist would say 2 options.

Im going for option 3 .
Ross & co turns it around starting next weekend .

We start winning for fun & are in the play off places by march.

We can come back to this thread then.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:11 pm Now we agree that Point of Je We dont need loan players RE we do need loan players is utter nonsensewe can clarify the original poters questioñ.

Still trying to figure out what you're trying to get at with your previous post on that front. Is your keyboard broken?

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:15 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:11 pm Now we agree that Point of Je We dont need loan players RE we do need loan players is utter nonsensewe can clarify the original poters questioñ.

Still trying to figure out what you're trying to get at with your previous post on that front. Is your keyboard broken?

Nope .

But im writing on a message board .
Im Lazy on stuff like this .
I really cant be bothered to spellcheck
or even re-read b4 i post .

Im not in a Job interview
Im not doing an Exam .
Im passing time .

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:14 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:10 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:55 pm Allow people the time to build .
End of Story .

Question... given these two scenarios (we're doing hypothetical here so no "it'll never happen" clauses) would you rather...

1) stay up in mid-table with a new manager, including demoting / paying off Embleton and Webb as part of the process

2) get relegated with Embleton at the helm but doing what the club see as the "right" thing by the "culture" and have to rebuild again from NL level

I do think there's a chunk of the supporters who would actually be happier with 2 than 1. Seems keeping people happy is now more important than results on pitch and our League status.

Im not doing predict the future with options like that.

Only a pure pessimist would say 2 options.

Im going for option 3 .
Ross & co turns it around starting next weekend .

We start winning for fun & are in the play off places by march.

We can come back to this thread then.

I do really hope your right.

Being an O you have to be an optimist, I hope he turns it around, the second half has given me some hope, it’s that hope that the last 30 mins of the first half are not repeated.

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:09 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:14 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:10 pm

Question... given these two scenarios (we're doing hypothetical here so no "it'll never happen" clauses) would you rather...

1) stay up in mid-table with a new manager, including demoting / paying off Embleton and Webb as part of the process

2) get relegated with Embleton at the helm but doing what the club see as the "right" thing by the "culture" and have to rebuild again from NL level

I do think there's a chunk of the supporters who would actually be happier with 2 than 1. Seems keeping people happy is now more important than results on pitch and our League status.

Im not doing predict the future with options like that.

Only a pure pessimist would say 2 options.

Im going for option 3 .
Ross & co turns it around starting next weekend .

We start winning for fun & are in the play off places by march.

We can come back to this thread then.

I do really hope your right.

Being an O you have to be an optimist, I hope he turns it around, the second half has given me some hope, it’s that hope that the last 30 mins of the first half are not repeated.

Why do we bother turning up at all ?

Because of the Hope .

Pessimism & Negativity about Orient is more about the stuff lacking
In a persons Life than it is in supporting a Football club.

Quite Frankly some of the Garbage that i read on this board makes
Me think the Best Thing Martin Ling could do , is to set up a
Mental Health club for some of our fans.

They obviously have some deep rooted problems with angst & Fear .