Independent Leyton Orient Forum

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:10 pm Travis, Teague and Ling admit making mistakes, they clearly have not learnt anything.
Embleton is way out of his depth, advertise immediately if you haven't done already for a proven experienced Manager at this level.
This is not the way to keep fans onside and certainly won't attract new fans, the attendances will tumble and so will the goodwill .
No more cheap, useless solutions it is an insult to Justin's memory and all the loyal fan base.

Frogger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:14 pm It’s not the manager it’s the squad it is not up to the level of skill required to survive in this league.

cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:21 pm

Frogger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:14 pm It’s not the manager it’s the squad it is not up to the level of skill required to survive in this league.

Sorry, it’s the manager, coaching staff and DOF!
They need to be cleared out.
The players do have the ability

Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:05 pm

cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:21 pm

Frogger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:14 pm It’s not the manager it’s the squad it is not up to the level of skill required to survive in this league.

Sorry, it’s the manager, coaching staff and DOF!
They need to be cleared out.
The players do have the ability

Well the last manager told the board that the players weren’t up to it and they didn’t want to hear it, so they sacked him by mutual consent, as if were.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:32 pm Thing is the senior management have made a rod for their own back now having shown the coaching staff and senior players are basically untouchable. A new manager has to basically come in and work with the same players and same staff... hiding to nothing.

Reality is for whatever reason the previous recipe for success is going to need to be ripped up and started again from scratch for this level. That includes the DoF and coaching staff.

Frogger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:14 pm It’s not the manager it’s the squad it is not up to the level of skill required to survive in this league.

LeytonstoneRed07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:53 pm

Frogger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:14 pm It’s not the manager it’s the squad it is not up to the level of skill required to survive in this league.

What we need is a manager. not another Head Coach. Someone who is allowed to bring in his own number two and given the backing of the DOF and the board and not scapegoated like Fletcher when the 'Establishment' didn't like his way of moving forward.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:00 pm

LeytonstoneRed07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:53 pm

Frogger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:14 pm It’s not the manager it’s the squad it is not up to the level of skill required to survive in this league.

What we need is a manager. not another Head Coach. Someone who is allowed to bring in his own number two and given the backing of the DOF and the board and not scapegoated like Fletcher when the 'Establishment' didn't like his way of moving forward.

It needs starting again. I'd say we're in such a state right now it needs Travis to appoint someone to cover his business interests and come back to run the club day-to-day and steady the ship. Put Ling on temporary leave and then get a Slade-esque manager in to report directly to Travis.

If it comes to it offer other roles to Embleton and Webb within the club if said new manager wants their own staff. Tough decisions need making and they won't be popular with some but the performances leave little choice.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:46 pm The owners have got to swallow their pride, and admit they got the management structure wrong. Do away with the Dof, and move Ling into some lesser capacity role, if need be.
We need the field open for our next manager selection, with no stumbling blocks, which of course would mean him bringing in his own team.
Come on T&T you know it's the ONLY course to take.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:10 pm Travis, Teague and Ling admit making mistakes, they clearly have not learnt anything.
Embleton is way out of his depth, advertise immediately if you haven't done already for a proven experienced Manager at this level.
This is not the way to keep fans onside and certainly won't attract new fans, the attendances will tumble and so will the goodwill .
No more cheap, useless solutions it is an insult to Justin's memory and all the loyal fan base.

cockhat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:12 pm What’s more we are likely to get relegated. I’m sure that’s not in the 5 year plan!

Frogger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:14 pm It’s not the manager it’s the squad it is not up to the level of skill required to survive in this league.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:28 pm The coaches were poor under Davis
The coaches were good under Justin
The coaches were poor on their own
The coaches were poor under Fletch
The coaches are poor on their own

Ling has to go and the coaches have only proven good under a proper manager. You either have to find a proper man manager with good leadership skills and then direct the coaches to coach or you start again.

The players are good enough.

Ling we lost today cos you let Adam's go. You made a poor decision in employing Davis, you redeemed yourself by employing Justin and you've made another poor decision in employing Fletch. Your performance in the q and a was embarrassing.

Yet I still support you.

You now need to get your finger in gear and hire a manager or the club need to remove you from your position. You can take your son with you if that happens. Giving him a new contract was nepotism of the highest order especially when he didn't deserve it.