The Labour Manifesto

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/upload ... o-2019.pdf

It's here. The one we've all been dreaming of.

How can anyone read this and decide not to vote for it?

OOOOOOHHHHH JEREMY CORBYN!

[Beradogs]

Frightening.

[Long slender neck]

A real choice for the first time in my lifetime.

[BiggsyMalone]

Now all the working class Tories can pipe down about them getting taxed to the hilt

[Max B Gold]

Free Beer for all the Workers (to the tune of Glory Glory Hallelujah)

Free beer for all the workers
Free beer for all the workers
Free beer for all the workers
When the red revolution comes

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

A real choice for the first time in my lifetime.

Why was their offering in 2017 not a real choice?

[Beradogs]

A real choice for the first time in my lifetime.

Only a choice if you are left wing. The right have a choice between the Tories who are now fiscally liberal as well as socially liberal so not conservative at all or Farage who is not even standing in my constituency. May have to vote green and try and save the planet.

[Long slender neck]

A real choice for the first time in my lifetime.

Why was their offering in 2017 not a real choice?

I dont remember their manifesto being that radical in 2017. Have no faith that this country will vote for it anyway.

[Dunners]

That's the thing. Nobody will read it. It could be the most deliverable and bestest manifesto in the whole wide world, but if Corbyn remains unable to connect with target voters then none of this matters.

Watch how the Tories react to this. If they continue to push Brexit as the priority over domestic policies, then that will be because their research is telling them that the Labour message isn't landing.

[Dunners]

A real choice for the first time in my lifetime.

Only a choice if you are left wing. The right have a choice between the Tories who are now fiscally liberal as well as socially liberal so not conservative at all or Farage who is not even standing in my constituency. May have to vote green and try and save the planet.

You could always vote Lib Dem because... oh wait, I see your point.

[Long slender neck]

Even if half of it isnt deliverable, still better than another 5 years of Tories. Clearly goodies vs baddies for me.

[Dunners]

Highlights:

1. Hold a second referendum on Brexit
2. Introduce a National Care Service
3. Net-zero carbon energy target (within the 2030s)
4. Nationalise key industries (energy supply of big 6 energy companies, BT Broadband, National Grid, Water)
5. Abolish private schools' charitable status
6. Grant EU nationals the right to remain
7. Free bus travel for under-25s
8. Replace Universal Credit with a new benefits system (unspecified)
9. Start a rapid programme of homebuilding (150,000 a year by then end of their first term)

[OyinbO]

That's the thing. Nobody will read it. It could be the most deliverable and bestest manifesto in the whole wide world, but if Corbyn remains unable to connect with target voters then none of this matters.

Watch how the Tories react to this. If they continue to push Brexit as the priority over domestic policies, then that will be because their research is telling them that the Labour message isn't landing.

The NHS is, by some measures, overtaking Brexit as the issue that concerns voters the most in this election. However, the evidence is that Johnson and Corbyn are both roughly equally trusted on that particular issue. Distressing for Labour, who have long been considered to be playing a home game on that subject.

We must remember that "Trust" has two main components: how people view your intentions, and how they view your competence. It's all well and good saying that JC has good intentions, and a surprisingly large number of people agree with this - but vanishingly few have a positive view of his ability to actually deliver. And IMVHO that isn't an unreasonable view. Having said that, his true role as a talisman/figurehead may absolve him of lots of the responsibility for delivery - but it's generally not a healthy situation if your leader (in whom much authority is vested) can't actually lead very well. And that problem is magnified when in government, not just opposition.

[Dunners]

Agree that domestic issues matter more to most people. But most people do not matter in this election. That's the thing.

You're also right to point out the public perception of Corbyn's ability as a leader. That will be a crucial issue for target voters if Labour are to stand a chance of forming a government.

[Long slender neck]

DM going for 'Corbyn to bankrupt Britain'. Is that even possible?

[Dunners]

No. But it's a trope that sticks in the minds of the hard of thinking.

Monitor Prez Biz's (and a few others) posts over the coming days and you'll see it repeated.

[Long slender neck]

But what is actually likely to happen? Inflation?

[Max B Gold]

But what is actually likely to happen? Inflation?

Who cares it is the first step in the transitional programme to win over workers to the cause of socialism and than on to full communism.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

That's the thing. Nobody will read it. It could be the most deliverable and bestest manifesto in the whole wide world, but if Corbyn remains unable to connect with target voters then none of this matters.

That isn't due to Jeremy's shortcomings.

It's due to the constant anti-semite/IRA-supporting/poppy-hating/Commie-hat etc etc messages forced onto them for the past 4 years.

Whoever was in charge and came up with a lefty manifesto like this would be subject to the same character assasination. Miliband wasn't anywhere near as adventurous as this and he still got the anti-semitic attacks on his father and Marxist accusations. Even celebrities like Brand and Church who dare to offer up a left of centre viewpoint suffer the same fate.

[Redcard]

“How can people not vote for it”. Well it has about as much credibility as the offers of investment I get from a series of Nigerian scammers. Total bullshit, and just offering all these goodies in attempt to dupe people and buy their votes.
Only the village idiot would think these proposals would ever be implemented, and even if comrade corbyn was remotely sincere who do you think would pay for them.
He aims to tax the rich till they bleed , completely overlooking the fact that the top 1% pay 27% of our taxes.
High earners and top businessmen would leave in droves relocating elsewhere in Europe with the end product of nil tax receipts from them.
Typical was the comment of the owner of phones 4 us who said that in recent years he had paid £360,000,000 in tax, and that in the nightmare event of corbyn getting in he would relocate outside Britain.
Vote labour if you want unions striking , bringing the country to a halt, bankrupting the economy like the last labour administration, and as Maxie boy says, leading us to full blown communism.
Not for me, Ive got a fully functioning brain.

[DuvB]

Great from Corbynshtein

[Long slender neck]

Redcard- Do you only think about money?

[Max B Gold]

“How can people not vote for it”. Well it has about as much credibility as the offers of investment I get from a series of Nigerian scammers. Total bullshit, and just offering all these goodies in attempt to dupe people and buy their votes.
Only the village idiot would think these proposals would ever be implemented, and even if comrade corbyn was remotely sincere who do you think would pay for them.
He aims to tax the rich till they bleed , completely overlooking the fact that the top 1% pay 27% of our taxes.
High earners and top businessmen would leave in droves relocating elsewhere in Europe with the end product of nil tax receipts from them.
Typical was the comment of the owner of phones 4 us who said that in recent years he had paid £360,000,000 in tax, and that in the nightmare event of corbyn getting in he would relocate outside Britain.
Vote labour if you want unions striking , bringing the country to a halt, bankrupting the economy like the last labour administration, and as Maxie boy says, leading us to full blown communism.
Not for me, Ive got a fully functioning brain.

That's very negative but I liked the line about having a functioning brain best

[Redcard]

Prestige, that’s the most stupid comment you could possibly make. How do you think all those proposals are going to be paid for, from corbyns money tree Forrest . Unless of course you are trying to have a dig at me personally and have a hidden agenda.
You don’t know me , so why make it personal when the topic under discussion is the fiscal (money) proposals of labours manifesto.

[Long slender neck]

Nothing personal, your comments are all about money. Do you know how money really works? Dare to dream!