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Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:48 pm
by Harlow
With the poor recent results I felt the club should have explained the logic in appointing Fletcher against 40? other applicants.
He presumably did a decent job at Bournemouth whatever that entailed.
What was he bringing to the party that others didn't. Was it a blueprint for reaching the championship? Was it being able to bring in loan players? Was it creating an attractive style of football. There must have been something.
Did we give him time to start whatever it was?
And the consequences.
Firstly who of our management is responsible. My guess would be Martin Ling. The second management failure within 3 years and a few months. Should he resign.
How will Ross react-will he want it second time around
How will the players react-were they demotivated by Fletcher
Will it affect future signings
Are in Bechetti volume 2.
I don't even know if I am pleased with him going. Have we screwed up our longer term plan. Was it playing style or a lack of strikers (we beat Grimsby 4-0 without Angol and Wilkinson).
Eddie Howe did brilliantly at Bournemouth, failed at Burnley, succeeded again at Bournemouth. Did we give enough time for Fletcher to learn the new culture and league 2 level.
I am pleased to say that I always supported Ross so can look him in the eye. Good Luck mate
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 pm
by redintheface
Harlow wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:48 pm
With the poor recent results I felt the club should have explained the logic in appointing Fletcher against 40? other applicants.
He presumably did a decent job at Bournemouth whatever that entailed.
What was he bringing to the party that others didn't. Was it a blueprint for reaching the championship? Was it being able to bring in loan players? Was it creating an attractive style of football. There must have been something.
Did we give him time to start whatever it was?
And the consequences.
Firstly who of our management is responsible. My guess would be Martin Ling. The second management failure within 3 years and a few months. Should he resign.
How will Ross react-will he want it second time around
How will the players react-were they demotivated by Fletcher
Will it affect future signings
Are in Bechetti volume 2.
I don't even know if I am pleased with him going. Have we screwed up our longer term plan. Was it playing style or a lack of strikers (we beat Grimsby 4-0 without Angol and Wilkinson).
Eddie Howe did brilliantly at Bournemouth, failed at Burnley, succeeded again at Bournemouth. Did we give enough time for Fletcher to learn the new culture and league 2 level.
I am pleased to say that I always supported Ross so can look him in the eye. Good Luck mate
Some fair points Harlow. If you haven’t already seen it I suggest you watch Martin Ling’s last YouTube video for a blow by blow account of how CF “ ticked all the boxes”.
Clearly 3 league games in charge is not enough time for anyone to make a meaningful start on whatever the wider plan was.
Player motivation ( or lack of It) has undoubtedly been a factor here but it’s only fair to say that was an issue to when Embleton was interim head coach. We were fourth from bottom when he stepped down. The upswing in form came after he’d announced he no longer wanted to do the job - so whether that was the pressure being released or just a lucky coincidence is anyone’s guess.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:18 pm
by PKM
I think we all want to know why CF was hiredHe was hapless from the start and went downhill from there!
Dunno why we’ve given it to Ross again, don’t strike me as the best idea. Although hasten to add better than Fletch in charge
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:20 pm
by eagwgw
I think we can guess, he was the best manager who also would preserve the structure of the management. Remember the first time around when the final two were Davis and Sheringham? I would say the appointment of Edinburgh was motivated by the fact that relegation was a real possibility at the time, we could not take chances.
Nobody is bigger than the club, but it seems that Ross and Ling are in untouchable positions here, and that isn't a healthy thing.
Would hope that the board weigh up some options..... for example if the manager/DoF cost is £250k, would it not be more effective to spend more on a manager and less on the other guy? There must be plenty of football executives out there who are just good at getting things done... the reasons why Ling got the job in the first place seem to have become rather irrelevant now (those reasons being having an input on the football side, and harmonising playing styles from the youth to mens teams).
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:26 pm
by PKM
Think and the very least Ling’s position has to come under some scrutiny.
Ok, you can’t get all these decisions right but to get it so wrong beggars belief. And it was obvious something wasn’t right more or less from the word go.
And why have we given contract extensions for poorly performing players in Brill, Coulson, Ling jr. Not to mention playing contracts for Turley and Jobi who’ve yet to play a minutes league football for us.
Ling seems on a run of bum decisions, reappointing Ross seems dubious as well.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:30 pm
by Long slender neck
I get it and was half won over by the justification in hiring CF. It was about potential and going with somebody modern, but it didn't work out. Personality didn't fit it seems and didn't have the coaching credentials to compensate.
We don't and won't ever know what the payoff was. We've just wasted a month in a transitional season. The club may also now look at whether it's possible to keep the existing coaches.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:41 pm
by Lucky7
He’s gone get over it you’ll never know the full truth why and how he was appointed so stop all the assumptions and you think you know best sh*t it’s like reading repetitive Belgian gabba
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:54 pm
by PKM
I’m over it already!
Best news for ages.
Just need to make sure don’t make another mistake with the next manager.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:08 pm
by gshaw
Porter was pretty adamant in how they (the panel) deliberately eschewed experience and proven win rate to get someone who fitted "within the infrastructure and budget" which suggests a couple of things...
1) other candidates didn't want Ross & co
2) other candidates wanted more salary and / or a bigger transfer budget
It appears Fletcher either came in with a game plan to get the job on the basis of accepting the coaching staff to off them later or didn't realise just how far apart their methods were from his and ultimately that clash of methods led to the (alleged) fallout between CF and the rest.
Problem we have now is that some staff and players do seem to have that untouchable status as alluded to on here before. What happens if they don't like the next new guy either? Ross has proved he isn't up to the job yet goes back in charge so that makes no sense either.
In short a bit of a mess, false economy springs to mind.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:10 pm
by Chief crazy horse
No doubt Sunday's shocker 'tipped' Travis over the top.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:11 pm
by Howling Mad Murdock
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:10 pm
No doubt Sunday's shocker 'tipped' Travis over the top.
Probably the mass reaction did that.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:11 pm
by BIGRON
He was hired to fix the leak in the East stand roof and failed to do it ....so out he goes
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:44 pm
by gshaw
Howling Mad Murdock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:11 pm
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:10 pm
No doubt Sunday's shocker 'tipped' Travis over the top.
Probably the mass reaction did that.
And the monetary losses from no cup run too
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:49 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:08 pm
Porter was pretty adamant in how they (the panel) deliberately eschewed experience and proven win rate to get someone who fitted "within the infrastructure and budget" which suggests a couple of things...
1) other candidates didn't want Ross & co
2) other candidates wanted more salary and / or a bigger transfer budget
It appears Fletcher either came in with a game plan to get the job on the basis of accepting the coaching staff to off them later or didn't realise just how far apart their methods were from his and ultimately that clash of methods led to the (alleged) fallout between CF and the rest.
Problem we have now is that some staff and players do seem to have that untouchable status as alluded to on here before. What happens if they don't like the next new guy either? Ross has proved he isn't up to the job yet goes back in charge so that makes no sense either.
In short a bit of a mess, false economy springs to mind.
Exactly. Budget is f*cked if we have to employ 2 or 3 managers to hopefully get lucky with one.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:03 pm
by gshaw
RedO wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:49 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:08 pm
Porter was pretty adamant in how they (the panel) deliberately eschewed experience and proven win rate to get someone who fitted "within the infrastructure and budget" which suggests a couple of things...
1) other candidates didn't want Ross & co
2) other candidates wanted more salary and / or a bigger transfer budget
It appears Fletcher either came in with a game plan to get the job on the basis of accepting the coaching staff to off them later or didn't realise just how far apart their methods were from his and ultimately that clash of methods led to the (alleged) fallout between CF and the rest.
Problem we have now is that some staff and players do seem to have that untouchable status as alluded to on here before. What happens if they don't like the next new guy either? Ross has proved he isn't up to the job yet goes back in charge so that makes no sense either.
In short a bit of a mess, false economy springs to mind.
Exactly. Budget is f*cked if we have to employ 2 or 3 managers to hopefully get lucky with one.
If you add up the loss of income from FA Cup plus the cost of settling Fletcher that's 1-2 players' worth in January at least.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:49 pm
by Sid Bishop
eagwgw wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:20 pm
I think we can guess, he was the best manager who also would preserve the structure of the management. Remember the first time around when the final two were Davis and Sheringham? I would say the appointment of Edinburgh was motivated by the fact that relegation was a real possibility at the time, we could not take chances.
Nobody is bigger than the club, but it seems that Ross and Ling are in untouchable positions here, and that isn't a healthy thing.
Would hope that the board weigh up some options..... for example if the manager/DoF cost is £250k, would it not be more effective to spend more on a manager and less on the other guy? There must be plenty of football executives out there who are just good at getting things done... the reasons why Ling got the job in the first place seem to have become rather irrelevant now (those reasons being having an input on the football side, and harmonising playing styles from the youth to mens teams).
''Nobody is bigger than the club, but it seems that Ross and Ling are in untouchable positions here, and that isn't a healthy thing.''
There you have it in one.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:52 pm
by redintheface
Dead right Sid. Absolutely no one - be they staff or player - should have that degree of latitude. The club is in danger of making a rod for its own back here.
Re: Why was Carl Fletcher hired and the consequences
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:54 pm
by redintheface
PKM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:54 pm
I’m over it already!
Best news for ages.
Just need to make sure don’t make another mistake with the next manager.
If lessons are not learnt from this shambles then regrettably they may well.
