Don’t get me wrong, I’m grateful that Ross is picking up the reins and the hapless Fletcher is out.
But Is it more muddled thinking from Ling and the board who got it so hopelessly wrong with Fletcher?
Ross, up until the time he ‘resigned’ was pretty useless, although useless gets a new meaning after Fletcher. But Ross stepped up when obviously given the circumstances, it was a very difficult situation. He didn’t look comfortable, the tactics and selections were poor. Once he resigned he looked like a new man!
Surely it would have made more sense to give it to Danny, albeit till end of season or whatever and have Ross as his assistant.
Whilst I’m grateful Fletcher has gone I think we’ve missed a trick, fair play to Ross in putting himself through it again, but it didn’t have to be that way.
I’m questioning Lings judgement recently, I know these things aren’t easy but the bum decisions are mounting up, like the contract extensions for players hardly at their peak and that will hamper us going forwards.
It’s a concern.
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:29 pm
by gshaw
Ross didn't step up by choice, Ling dropped it on him. Poor judgement back then and poor judgement now imo.
Webb does seem the more natural manager of the two, why not give him a shot?
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:34 pm
by PKM
I don’t know, is it because Ling is more pally with Ross?
It’s obvious to most folk that Webb could make a decent manager, this is the ideal opportunity but Ling has gone at fluffed it again.
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:39 pm
by redintheface
As was the case from day one following Justin’s passing someone with a much greater degree of experience and presence than RE was required to do this job properly. The club made the decision to hand Embleton the job on an interim basis but then failed completely to look around for alternatives during the “ interim”. It wasn’t until Embleton himself came forward and said he wasn’t cut out for the job and didn’t wish to continue that any attempt was made to recruit a replacement! Ironically “ the process” to appoint Fletcher took almost four weeks to complete from start to finish - only marginally less than it has taken the Board to see what a mess they made and then sack him. Fiasco!
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:41 pm
by Give it to Jabo
Whatever way one looks at it, it's a unholy mess...
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:50 pm
by BiggsyMalone
If Fletcher fit the mould of what they wanted the Webb should have been given it on an interim basis and given a proper crack at it
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:03 pm
by PKM
Absolutely agree Biggsy
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:06 pm
by tuffers#1
gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:29 pm
Ross didn't step up by choice, Ling dropped it on him. Poor judgement back then and poor judgement now imo.
Rubbish !!
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:07 pm
by tuffers#1
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:50 pm
If Fletcher fit the mould of what they wanted the Webb should have been given it on an interim basis and given a proper crack at it
So give it to the fella underneath the 2nd in command ?
What makes you think Webb would have been happy to do that to Ross ?
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:12 pm
by LittleMate
I'd give it them jointly? If the Cowleys can make it work then these two can.
What I would do is get Jobi out of a tracksuit as its a distraction to his primary function.
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:14 pm
by PKM
Ross weren’t happy to be no 1 so he could hardly object if someone like Danny got the job.
Danny look suited to it before, in very difficult circumstances. He is also a known quantity so less risk.
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:20 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Can’t believe having seen what we have these last few weeks, people are now suggesting Webb is given a go.
What we need is a proper manager.
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:31 pm
by POSHO
I think the whole club has become 'incestuous' and I don't think that any other management team can succeed here
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:40 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:50 pm
If Fletcher fit the mould of what they wanted the Webb should have been given it on an interim basis and given a proper crack at it
I completely agree. Danny’s managerial experience is only slightly less than Fletcher’s. if the club was going to go down that particular road they should have definitely offered the job to Danny first.
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:50 pm
If Fletcher fit the mould of what they wanted the Webb should have been given it on an interim basis and given a proper crack at it
So give it to the fella underneath the 2nd in command ?
What makes you think Webb would have been happy to do that to Ross ?
You do the best for the club, you don't base the decision on how long you've been mates with the coach for. There should have been a discussion and Ling should have said "Webb has done the role before and we want you (Ross) to maintain your role as number 2 so the players can still have that relationship with you in this tough interim period". Shifting a number 2 to the manager rarely works, their role is to be their mate, not their boss.
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:50 pm
If Fletcher fit the mould of what they wanted the Webb should have been given it on an interim basis and given a proper crack at it
So give it to the fella underneath the 2nd in command ?
What makes you think Webb would have been happy to do that to Ross ?
You do the best for the club, you don't base the decision on how long you've been mates with the coach for. There should have been a discussion and Ling should have said "Webb has done the role before and we want you (Ross) to maintain your role as number 2 so the players can still have that relationship with you in this tough interim period". Shifting a number 2 to the manager rarely works, their role is to be their mate, not their boss.
There was a discussion it took place on the wednesday
@Brisbane road .
Maybe some of you were to emotionally distraught by what happened to JE to take in all the news.
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:50 pm
If Fletcher fit the mould of what they wanted the Webb should have been given it on an interim basis and given a proper crack at it
So give it to the fella underneath the 2nd in command ?
What makes you think Webb would have been happy to do that to Ross ?
You do the best for the club, you don't base the decision on how long you've been mates with the coach for. There should have been a discussion and Ling should have said "Webb has done the role before and we want you (Ross) to maintain your role as number 2 so the players can still have that relationship with you in this tough interim period". Shifting a number 2 to the manager rarely works, their role is to be their mate, not their boss.
So give it to the fella underneath the 2nd in command ?
What makes you think Webb would have been happy to do that to Ross ?
You do the best for the club, you don't base the decision on how long you've been mates with the coach for. There should have been a discussion and Ling should have said "Webb has done the role before and we want you (Ross) to maintain your role as number 2 so the players can still have that relationship with you in this tough interim period". Shifting a number 2 to the manager rarely works, their role is to be their mate, not their boss.
There was a discussion it took place on the wednesday
@Brisbane road .
Maybe some of you were to emotionally distraught by what happened to JE to take in all the news.
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:49 pm
You do the best for the club, you don't base the decision on how long you've been mates with the coach for. There should have been a discussion and Ling should have said "Webb has done the role before and we want you (Ross) to maintain your role as number 2 so the players can still have that relationship with you in this tough interim period". Shifting a number 2 to the manager rarely works, their role is to be their mate, not their boss.
There was a discussion it took place on the wednesday
@Brisbane road .
Maybe some of you were to emotionally distraught by what happened to JE to take in all the news.
Doesn't change my point.
Of course it wont change your point.
However your point is incorrect.
There was a discussion it took place on the wednesday
@Brisbane road .
Maybe some of you were to emotionally distraught by what happened to JE to take in all the news.
Doesn't change my point.
Of course it wont change your point.
However your point is incorrect.
Wrong. They thought they made the right decision but it was made with emotion rather than emotion and pragmatism.
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:17 pm
by redintheface
Ling has already confirmed Embleton will be in charge from tomorrow, once more on an “ interim” basis. Hopefully this time the club will actually start searching for someone on a permanent basis in the “interim” rather than waiting for Ross to say he no longer wants the job before recruiting.
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:03 pm
Doesn't change my point.
Of course it wont change your point.
However your point is incorrect.
Wrong. They thought they made the right decision but it was made with emotion rather than emotion and pragmatism.
Wrong .
They put someone in charge to oversee the transition of the club after the death of JE .
They used the word " Interim " ,
To allow a person the opportunity to grow into a role slowly.
Unfortunately , the Hatred & Bitterness awoken by the Italian Circus in some fans gave them a belief that there voice was important all if the time over every matter at the club.
B*ll*cks it is .
Get back to going once or twice a week & screaming your nuts off to follow the club .
Put your life crisis misery away & become a Football fan again . Honestly you desrve it , youve had a coupke of tough years following the O's.
Of course it wont change your point.
However your point is incorrect.
Wrong. They thought they made the right decision but it was made with emotion rather than emotion and pragmatism.
Wrong .
They put someone in charge to oversee the transition of the club after the death of JE .
They used the word " Interim " ,
To allow a person the opportunity to grow into a role slowly.
Unfortunately , the Hatred & Bitterness awoken by the Italian Circus in some fans gave them a belief that there voice was important all if the time over every matter at the club.
B*ll*cks it is .
Get back to going once or twice a week & screaming your nuts off to follow the club .
Put your life crisis misery away & become a Football fan again . Honestly you desrve it , youve had a coupke of tough years following the O's.
So give it to the man that has managed the club before rather than the man who never wanted to manage and that has formed a bond of friendship and trust with the players, it then forces that relationship to change.
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:13 pm
Wrong. They thought they made the right decision but it was made with emotion rather than emotion and pragmatism.
Wrong .
They put someone in charge to oversee the transition of the club after the death of JE .
They used the word " Interim " ,
To allow a person the opportunity to grow into a role slowly.
Unfortunately , the Hatred & Bitterness awoken by the Italian Circus in some fans gave them a belief that there voice was important all if the time over every matter at the club.
B*ll*cks it is .
Get back to going once or twice a week & screaming your nuts off to follow the club .
Put your life crisis misery away & become a Football fan again . Honestly you desrve it , youve had a coupke of tough years following the O's.
So give it to the man that has managed the club before rather than the man who never wanted to manage and that has formed a bond of friendship and trust with the players, it then forces that relationship to change.
DW said in an interview less than 6 weeks back he wasnt ready to be a manager.
In time yes but not now
Re: Why give it to Ross?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:03 pm
by Sid Bishop
PKM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:34 pm
I don’t know, is it because Ling is more pally with Ross?
It’s obvious to most folk that Webb could make a decent manager, this is the ideal opportunity but Ling has gone at fluffed it again.
''I don’t know, is it because Ling is more pally with Ross ?''
