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Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:32 pm
by aylesburyos
Looking on Twitter & here I reckon 70% of fans are not happy. Can't even remeber the likes of Cavasin & Liverani being this unpopular. Hopefully the owners have seen sense. Get Adams, Sol C Holloway or Parkinson instead

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:38 pm
by Smendrick Feaselberg
Mot likely because of a) confirmation bias and b) recency bias

Also, your estimate of 70% of people on Twitter - what's the base size on that? And how does that compare to the overall fan base?

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:39 pm
by Red_Army
Firstly there has been no appointment as of yet. Secondly you have no way of knowing that number. Thirdly even if you are correct that most are against it, they have no reason to be at this stage before a ball has even been kicked. Fourth, I'm pretty sure unless you are braindead you would prefer an appointment like this to Cavasin or Liverani.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:46 pm
by aylesburyos
Red_Army wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:39 pm Firstly there has been no appointment as of yet. Secondly you have no way of knowing that number. Thirdly even if you are correct that most are against it, they have no reason to be at this stage before a ball has even been kicked. Fourth, I'm pretty sure unless you are braindead you would prefer an appointment like this to Cavasin or Liverani.
Please read my tweet . I did not say that those names would be better. Looking at my Twitter pages there are around 7 out of 10 negative comments. I follow over 1000 others most O's related. You do know Liverani is managing in Serie A having achieved 2 promtions with Lecce?

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:50 pm
by eagwgw
Doesn't mean we should get Liverani in though, his problem here was that most of the squad did not accept him, and he did not have the time to change the players.

Anyway in my view it's quite a minority who would be saying it is a bad appointment.

The middle ground is people that are saying it isn't what they thought it would be, but they will back the board and the manager if it happens.

The other extreme are those who probably share the same view of the middle ground but don't have the balls to admit it, and back the board while accusing everyone else of a 'meltdown'.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:58 pm
by aylesburyos
I don't agree with the name mentioned & can not see the logic. However will support whoever gets the job. Biggest issue with Liverani was his lack of English

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:04 pm
by Long slender neck
Lets put it to a vote

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2023

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:05 pm
by Red_Army
aylesburyos wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:46 pm
Red_Army wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:39 pm Firstly there has been no appointment as of yet. Secondly you have no way of knowing that number. Thirdly even if you are correct that most are against it, they have no reason to be at this stage before a ball has even been kicked. Fourth, I'm pretty sure unless you are braindead you would prefer an appointment like this to Cavasin or Liverani.
Please read my tweet . I did not say that those names would be better. Looking at my Twitter pages there are around 7 out of 10 negative comments. I follow over 1000 others most O's related. You do know Liverani is managing in Serie A having achieved 2 promtions with Lecce?
I've read your post, no idea about your tweet.

I understand that you didn't say that. What you said was you can't remember their appointments being this unpopular. My point is that if people are more negative about this appointment than the two you listed then they must be braindead.

Yes I'm aware of his recent success. Good luck to him- Lecce seems to be the right fit for him- Orient were not.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:18 pm
by JimbO
eagwgw wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:50 pm Doesn't mean we should get Liverani in though, his problem here was that most of the squad did not accept him, and he did not have the time to change the players.

Anyway in my view it's quite a minority who would be saying it is a bad appointment.

The middle ground is people that are saying it isn't what they thought it would be, but they will back the board and the manager if it happens.

The other extreme are those who probably share the same view of the middle ground but don't have the balls to admit it, and back the board while accusing everyone else of a 'meltdown'.
The two problems with the Liverani appointment were the bloke who employed him and the fact he didn't speak English.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:58 am
by O my gawd
aylesburyos wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:32 pm Looking on Twitter & here I reckon 70% of fans are not happy. Can't even remeber the likes of Cavasin & Liverani being this unpopular. Hopefully the owners have seen sense. Get Adams, Sol C Holloway or Parkinson instead
As Kevin Bloody Wilson would say "What an absolute c**t of a post"
Pure poison & lacking in any kind of knowledge & trust for our board, who quite simply have been phenomenal since saving us.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:10 am
by Story of O
Having looked on social media it seems the majority are prepared to give Fletcher a chance.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:23 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
Story of O wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:10 am Having looked on social media it seems the majority are prepared to give Fletcher a chance.
But but but aylesburyos definitely isn't a moaning old whingebag based on past form and has said that 70% of people think it's a poor appointment based on his expert analysis skills and unbiased reporting of the facts that's not to an agenda. You must be mistaken.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:11 am
by Thor
Story of O wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:10 am Having looked on social media it seems the majority are prepared to give Fletcher a chance.
And so they should. This is a professional person, Eddie Howe speaks highly of him, ML and our board have done their homework and we should be embracing the appointment and not slaughtering him before he’s even managed a coaching session with his team. Without his identity and philosophy imposed on the team and without any results to see the work put in on the training pitch show through in games, don’t forget it will take time for what he wants to show through, just like it did for Justin with inconsistency at the beginning of his time in charge and look at how brilliant he turned out to be.

Sometimes I wonder about people who follow us.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:14 am
by A Pedant
aylesburyos wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:32 pm Can't even remeber the likes of Cavasin & Liverani being this unpopular.
I think your memory of the reaction to Cavasin's appointment is faulty - if the Twitter comments at the time are anything to go by.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:23 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
A Pedant wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:14 am
aylesburyos wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:32 pm Can't even remeber the likes of Cavasin & Liverani being this unpopular.
I think your memory of the reaction to Cavasin's appointment is faulty - if the Twitter comments at the time are anything to go by.
Recency bias.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:27 am
by Bergen
A win at Plymouth (A) on Tuesday and he will have everyone on his side.

It`s not more complicated than that.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:16 am
by aylesburyos
We are now stuck with Fletcher. Hope he proves me wrong. Before the appointment i saw many more negative comments. Lat of fans backing him are based on the fact he is now our manager. We support the club & will back him 100%. Just because of opinions on here does not mean that we want him to prove us wrong

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:17 am
by aylesburyos
A Pedant wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:14 am
aylesburyos wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:32 pm Can't even remeber the likes of Cavasin & Liverani being this unpopular.
I think your memory of the reaction to Cavasin's appointment is faulty - if the Twitter comments at the time are anything to go by.
Liverani though?

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:37 am
by OyinbO
O my gawd wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:58 am
aylesburyos wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:32 pm Looking on Twitter & here I reckon 70% of fans are not happy. Can't even remeber the likes of Cavasin & Liverani being this unpopular. Hopefully the owners have seen sense. Get Adams, Sol C Holloway or Parkinson instead
As Kevin Bloody Wilson would say "What an absolute c**t of a post"
Pure poison & lacking in any kind of knowledge & trust for our board, who quite simply have been phenomenal since saving us.
Get Bowers in, pronto

Magnificent :idea:

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:37 am
by OyinbO
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:38 pm Mot likely because of a) confirmation bias and b) recency bias

Also, your estimate of 70% of people on Twitter - what's the base size on that? And how does that compare to the overall fan base?
I love the smell of robust methodology in the morning 8-)

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:45 am
by VeganO
Thor wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:11 am
Story of O wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:10 am Having looked on social media it seems the majority are prepared to give Fletcher a chance.
And so they should. This is a professional person, Eddie Howe speaks highly of him, ML and our board have done their homework and we should be embracing the appointment and not slaughtering him before he’s even managed a coaching session with his team. Without his identity and philosophy imposed on the team and without any results to see the work put in on the training pitch show through in games, don’t forget it will take time for what he wants to show through, just like it did for Justin with inconsistency at the beginning of his time in charge and look at how brilliant he turned out to be.

Sometimes I wonder about people who follow us.
I absolutely agree with the sentiments of Thor's post.
It has to be said that it is a risky appointment but many managerial appointments are. You never know how it will go. I trust the Board's judgment & the judgment of people like Eddie Howe.
I note from another thread that Carl did very well initially at Argyle & then things turned sour. Apparently fans were delighted when he was sacked. The same could be said about Man Utd fans when Mourinho was sacked.
Clearly he needs to be given a chance & we need to back him. He has made a good start by saying to ML that he wants it made clear to Justin's family that they are always welcome at the club. Hopefully this will be appreciated by players & other staff.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:57 am
by Red_Army
VeganO wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:45 am
Thor wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:11 am
Story of O wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:10 am Having looked on social media it seems the majority are prepared to give Fletcher a chance.
And so they should. This is a professional person, Eddie Howe speaks highly of him, ML and our board have done their homework and we should be embracing the appointment and not slaughtering him before he’s even managed a coaching session with his team. Without his identity and philosophy imposed on the team and without any results to see the work put in on the training pitch show through in games, don’t forget it will take time for what he wants to show through, just like it did for Justin with inconsistency at the beginning of his time in charge and look at how brilliant he turned out to be.

Sometimes I wonder about people who follow us.
I absolutely agree with the sentiments of Thor's post.
It has to be said that it is a risky appointment but many managerial appointments are. You never know how it will go. I trust the Board's judgment & the judgment of people like Eddie Howe.
I note from another thread that Carl did very well initially at Argyle & then things turned sour. Apparently fans were delighted when he was sacked. The same could be said about Man Utd fans when Mourinho was sacked.
Clearly he needs to be given a chance & we need to back him. He has made a good start by saying to ML that he wants it made clear to Justin's family that they are always welcome at the club. Hopefully this will be appreciated by players & other staff.
It's no more scientific than the OP, but the Argyle fans I've seen online have been very complimentary with some calling him a legend ect.

Re: Least Popular Managerial appointment

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:40 pm
by A Pedant
aylesburyos wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:17 am
A Pedant wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:14 am
aylesburyos wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:32 pm Can't even remeber the likes of Cavasin & Liverani being this unpopular.
I think your memory of the reaction to Cavasin's appointment is faulty - if the Twitter comments at the time are anything to go by.
Liverani though?
Less vitriolic a reception than for Cavasin, but not exactly a warm welcome either (and of course, it was still early in Beelzebub's reign of terror so there were still a fair amount of people misty-eyed that we'd spent money on transfer fees):

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/leytono ... t5825.html