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Enough is enough. Time to come back to face the music.

Great too that Boris has no leverage with his BFF Trump. The sign of things to come.

Has she been interviewed for the job ?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:04 pm Enough is enough. Time to come back to face the music.

Great too that Boris has no leverage with his BFF Trump. The sign of things to come.

She doesn’t have diplomatic immunity. She’ll be coming back .

Suddenly she's "devastated" apparently.I bet she is.

Howling Mad Murdock wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:53 pm Suddenly she's "devastated" apparently.I bet she is.

Has a great publicist.

A few years in jail or a £50 fine...or both.

Personally I'd bung in there that she has to watch England F.C. play for the rest of the season.That'll learn her.

Howling Mad Murdock wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:58 pm A few years in jail or a £50 fine...or both.

Personally I'd bung in there that she has to watch England F.C. play for the rest of the season.That'll learn her.

UN Convention on Human Rights would prevent that

It outlaws cruel & inhumane treatment

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:37 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:04 pm Enough is enough. Time to come back to face the music.

Great too that Boris has no leverage with his BFF Trump. The sign of things to come.

She doesn’t have diplomatic immunity. She’ll be coming back .

USA rarely extradite its citizens to foreign countries

Remember the fighter jet & the cable car in italy anyone ?

She wants to meet the parents. Why then didn't she stay in Britain? Must think we are all stupid.

Oforever wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:35 pm She wants to meet the parents. Why then didn't she stay in Britain? Must think we are all stupid.

Why must she think we are all stupid?

If I was in her position, I would do as she did. I would leave country to avoid a prison sentence.

That is very different from whether she wants to meet family and apologise.

She I am sure is full of remorse and regret for her part in the RTC and wants to speak to family of the victim, but doesnt want to go to prison.

Indeed, if I had been asked to give her legal advice at time of accident I would have advised her that if she returned to the USA she would be most likely to avoid prosecution and a prison sentence.

So if you kill someone in an accident, you're saying you'd leg it to avoid justice? Nice.

We've all done it

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:07 pm So if you kill someone in an accident, you're saying you'd leg it to avoid justice? Nice.

Thats lawyers for ya

She's got form,apparently.

It’s a little concerning that a lawyer / solicitor would advise a client to do a runner rather than clear their name and or face justice in a court of law tried by their peers.

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:51 am It’s a little concerning that a lawyer / solicitor would advise a client to do a runner rather than clear their name and or face justice in a court of law tried by their peers.

Why is it concerning?

A lawyers job is to represent and advise his client.
If client wants to avoid the risk of prison, then in the circumstances of this case, their best and totally legal option is to return to the USA, from where they are much less likely to be extradited to stand trial and the consequent risk of a jail sentence if convicted.

The lady in question committed no offence in leaving the UK. The advice I would have provided is not advising her to break the law or to commit a crime.

I have provided similar advice in fatal RTC cases before. Advising known suspects that is they handed themselves into police shortly after the accident, the drugs tests would show they were high as a kite when driving, but if they remained at large fora week or so the drugs in their system would be out of their system and they couldn't be charged with causing death by dangerous driving whilst under the influence of drink or drugs

Client took ad ice and handed himself in a week later and ended up facing much less serious charges and avoiding a prison sentence.

A lawyers job is to represent his client

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:07 pm So if you kill someone in an accident, you're saying you'd leg it to avoid justice? Nice.

As I said below my job is to represent my client.

As long as I am not advising her or him to break the law then I am perfectly happy to give such advice.

It's not my job to ensure my client meekly submits to what the police it prosecution want.

It is my job to represent my client (lawfully) no matter how unpopular that may be.

If lawyers were in it for popularity no o e would ever represent t alleged rapists, alleged paedophiles etc and no one would get a fair trial if charged with an unpopular offence

Thank goodness for lawyers like you, advising people to skip town until the substances in their blood have worn off. Ensuring justice for all.

One of my best mates at school became a lawywr, he turned into a fanny overnight too.

Don't try and weasel out of your own words, spen. Quoting you below to remind you:

spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:54 pm
If I was in her position, I would do as she did. I would leave country to avoid a prison sentence.

You weren't talking about giving legal advice, you stated what you would do personally - ie, run away after killing someone to escape justice.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:40 am Don't try and weasel out of your own words, spen. Quoting you below to remind you:

spen666 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:54 pm
If I was in her position, I would do as she did. I would leave country to avoid a prison sentence.

You weren't talking about giving legal advice, you stated what you would do personally - ie, run away after killing someone to escape justice.

And don't most people try to avoid consequences?

does every shoplifter, immediately walk into a police station and say I have committed a crime.

after a fight do participants walk into police station and admit a public order offence?

Have you immediately gone to the police and admitted your wrong doing every time you break the law?


There is absolutely no requirement on anyone to admit to crimes or even to remain in jurisdiction to see if police want ot arrest them.

This lady broke no laws by leaving the UK and I for one am honest enough to admit I would try legitimately to avoid being punished

Why are you drawing false equivalents between a street brawl and shoplifting and killing someone and fleeing the country?

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:16 am I will be careful what I say.

Yes spen is doing what he is paid to do and offering legal professional advice

However in a society where morality has a higher degree of accountably and reference to most people in this case- than man made legistalation of which a solicitor based their expertise on to advise - the duties of a solicitor would be seen to be unacceptable.

What surprises me spen appears to relish in a medium in which he is the only practising lawyer and thus can reveal in telling us with such precise glee.

Yes spen you are correct from your legal position - we on here offer a position of morality which to some transcends the legal position scope for advice.

Society is riddled with maximimising ones position legally at the exspense of decency or accountability to the other party

Why is it wrong that someone accused of a crime can be represented?

Lets just stop for a minute and think of all those people acquitted every day by courts. According to your warped and frankly perverted medieval logic people should not be allowed to. Fortunatelty we are no longer in the medieval times when people were not allowed to either be represented or to defend themselves once accused.

Morality?

Is it not moral for someone to be advised on what the law is?

Don't blame the lawyer, blame the law makers, blame the investigators, blame the prosecutors, don't blame someone for trying to do the best for themselves?


Frankly it is absurd to blame someone for acting in a legal manner. If you don't like what they have done, then make it illegal. Don't blame someone for acting in a lawful manner and going home

In this case, the lady in question has never been arrested, interviewed or charged with any offence. She was and is free to go where she likes and when she likes.

Just hope there really is such a thing as karma, with a bit of luck nothing good coming your way.
feel free to go and support someone else, oh yes I remember you already do