We need an experienced Manager - otherwise we might as well stick with RE

[Reflecto]

Surely the whole purpose of getting a new guy in (rather than sticking with RE) is to get an experienced manager with:-

Min of 3-5 years experience as a manager in L2 / L1 / Champ
An impressive win ratio (40% plus)
Promotion(s) or cup success on his CV

What it is much less about is:-

Is he a mate of Martin Ling...?
Will he come cheaply? (as the financial benefits of the right appointment will be massive!)
Is he really happy to slot into the structure

We have a chance to return to the higher leagues in the next few seasons - but only if we get this right

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

So a minimum of the moon on a stick and not a mate of Ling or a cheap option (neither of which anyone is asking for).

Embleton doesn't want to manage so sticking with Embleton isn't an option anyway. Even if he did...no no no.

What has triggered this post?

[RedDwarf 1881]

Surely the whole purpose of getting a new guy in (rather than sticking with RE) is to get an experienced manager with:-

Min of 3-5 years experience as a manager in L2 / L1 / Champ
An impressive win ratio (40% plus)
Promotion(s) or cup success on his CV

What it is much less about is:-

Is he a mate of Martin Ling...?
Will he come cheaply? (as the financial benefits of the right appointment will be massive!)
Is he really happy to slot into the structure

We have a chance to return to the higher leagues in the next few seasons - but only if we get this right

I agree with you that we definitely need an experienced manager. The likes of Darren Currie are a complete non starter.

[Thor]

All we need is Byways to slap his championship manager credentials down as I’m sure he can demonstrate 20 plus years of unrivalled success on the game. What more could ML possibly want from someone?

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Surely the whole purpose of getting a new guy in (rather than sticking with RE) is to get an experienced manager with:-

Min of 3-5 years experience as a manager in L2 / L1 / Champ
An impressive win ratio (40% plus)
Promotion(s) or cup success on his CV

What it is much less about is:-

Is he a mate of Martin Ling...?
Will he come cheaply? (as the financial benefits of the right appointment will be massive!)
Is he really happy to slot into the structure

We have a chance to return to the higher leagues in the next few seasons - but only if we get this right

I think one aspect you have missed and probably the most important is to choose a person with the right attitude, the ability to not only deliver on the field but to be able to build a good working relationship with Ling, the Board and the backroom team. Vital for the long term progress of the club.

Using your criteria all you need to do is look at the CV, that is the easy bit. The tough bit is the rest and that takes time, a few chats over coffee etc and maybe meet the Directors. That's the bit that takes the time.

[PoundhillO]

Surely the whole purpose of getting a new guy in (rather than sticking with RE) is to get an experienced manager with:-

Min of 3-5 years experience as a manager in L2 / L1 / Champ
An impressive win ratio (40% plus)
Promotion(s) or cup success on his CV

What it is much less about is:-

Is he a mate of Martin Ling...?
Will he come cheaply? (as the financial benefits of the right appointment will be massive!)
Is he really happy to slot into the structure

We have a chance to return to the higher leagues in the next few seasons - but only if we get this right

I think one aspect you have missed and probably the most important is to choose a person with the right attitude, the ability to not only deliver on the field but to be able to build a good working relationship with Ling, the Board and the backroom team. Vital for the long term progress of the club.

Using your criteria all you need to do is look at the CV, that is the easy bit. The tough bit is the rest and that takes time, a few chats over coffee etc and maybe meet the Directors. That's the bit that takes the time.

Agreed

[Loyal_Supporter]

Surely the whole purpose of getting a new guy in (rather than sticking with RE) is to get an experienced manager with:-

Min of 3-5 years experience as a manager in L2 / L1 / Champ
An impressive win ratio (40% plus)
Promotion(s) or cup success on his CV

What it is much less about is:-

Is he a mate of Martin Ling...?
Will he come cheaply? (as the financial benefits of the right appointment will be massive!)
Is he really happy to slot into the structure

We have a chance to return to the higher leagues in the next few seasons - but only if we get this right

This, 250 times over.

[bobo66]

I agree that we should go for an experienced manager, but obviously that does not guarantee success. There's plenty of experienced ex-managers out there! I think Steve Davis was experienced but that didn't work out.

Although we don't want to opt for a cheap option, we are hardly in a position to spend big. It's the same with players - you have to cut your cloth accordingly and be realistic.

[Reflecto]

Raised this as I'm worried we end up with an inexperienced manager - see Sack Race betting favs
Agree with comments re: fit with club - but only in general terms - still would rather have a great manager who gets results
We have money to get this right - moving up the table / leagues will ern more cash than any possible cost for a lower league manager

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

It's not about spending big. It's about considering the wage differential between hiring an inexperienced Manager/HC and an experienced one. Unlikely to be vast.

And when considering the differential we need to factor in the impact of a poor season this year and ST sales next year. Saving a few bob on wages could well cost us even more in the long run on lost revenue.

I honestly don't feel Travis and Teague, both experienced in hiring well paid staff, will be foolish enough to baulk over a few quid if it means getting the man Ling wants. They will back him 100%.

Whoever Ling brings in, I doubt wages will have been a factor.

[Howling Mad Murdock]

So a minimum of the moon on a stick and not a mate of Ling or a cheap option (neither of which anyone is asking for).

Embleton doesn't want to manage so sticking with Embleton isn't an option anyway. Even if he did...no no no.

What has triggered this post?

alcohol?

[tuffers#1]

Paul Jewell it is then

[RedDwarf 1881]

Paul Jewell it is then

??

[faith1234]

It all comes down to upstairs the owners and the recruitment process. We must get the right man in the building and i am sorry but curry is the wrong man for the job, it neeeds to be allen the ex plymouth manager.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

It all comes down to upstairs the owners and the recruitment process. We must get the right man in the building and i am sorry but curry is the wrong man for the job, it neeeds to be allen the ex plymouth manager.

Boring wum isn't funny. Definitely not much going on upstairs there.

[faith1234]

And you hhave

[tuffers#1]

Paul Jewell it is then

??

38.5 % Win ratio
Premier championship league 1 & 2 experience
CDAJ

[Byways1]

It's not about spending big. It's about considering the wage differential between hiring an inexperienced Manager/HC and an experienced one. Unlikely to be vast.

And when considering the differential we need to factor in the impact of a poor season this year and ST sales next year. Saving a few bob on wages could well cost us even more in the long run on lost revenue.

I honestly don't feel Travis and Teague, both experienced in hiring well paid staff, will be foolish enough to baulk over a few quid if it means getting the man Ling wants. They will back him 100%.

Whoever Ling brings in, I doubt wages will have been a factor.

I don’t know where you get the idea that the owners have got stacks of money.
Neither of them are anywhere nearly as rich as Barry.

[Max B Gold]

To the topic title -
It's imperitive for an expiernced manager to be appointed at this time.

Yes managers fail but to minimise that,one chooses a person that has had some success

Re RE - he has made it very clear what he wants - and being a manager is not that.

It's speculative (highly) what success many of the names listed on all the threads may bring that's why there is less chance of failure by choosing an expierenced manager .

The wages.All serious applicants chosen on the shortlist we know or have been informed of the salary range through ML - it would be naive for both parties not to mention that.

So basically it is possible to offer less for a L2 " "Head Coach" because we have a DoF but the applicants are looking for L2 Manager money.

Right O'

[O my gawd]

All we need is Byways to slap his championship manager credentials down as I’m sure he can demonstrate 20 plus years of unrivalled success on the game. What more could ML possibly want from someone?

Yes but will he sit in in the dugout in his vest & Y fronts eating wotsits like he does at home on his pc?

[Byways1]

Can't follow your comment maxi

All I am saying all applicants should at the formal interview stage if they remain interested be aware of the salary range

There is no "cheap option" which are words I don't really like to be totally honest - we need a proven manager and club will have to pay the market value to achieve that.

We all go to job interviews in our professions knowing the market value and the sum on offer within a reasonable possible negotiation band.

All this talk about the club looking to save money by some of the posters cannot be correct interpretation

Why would the club jeopardise their collective investment and ambitions by not seeking to appoint the most successful of all the shortlisted listed people

We can’t afford to fix the roof in the East stand and you think they are going to appoint a Adams or Parkinson

[Byways1]

All we need is Byways to slap his championship manager credentials down as I’m sure he can demonstrate 20 plus years of unrivalled success on the game. What more could ML possibly want from someone?

Yes but will he sit in in the dugout in his vest & Y fronts eating wotsits like he does at home on his pc?

Budgie smugglers if you don’t mind.
Won’t work with a DOF so I am out of the running.

[Byways1]

Can't follow your comment maxi

All I am saying all applicants should at the formal interview stage if they remain interested be aware of the salary range

There is no "cheap option" which are words I don't really like to be totally honest - we need a proven manager and club will have to pay the market value to achieve that.

We all go to job interviews in our professions knowing the market value and the sum on offer within a reasonable possible negotiation band.

All this talk about the club looking to save money by some of the posters cannot be correct interpretation

Why would the club jeopardise their collective investment and ambitions by not seeking to appoint the most successful of all the shortlisted listed people

We can’t afford to fix the roof in the East stand and you think they are going to appoint a Adams or Parkinson

I think your comment is cynical
I get what you are saying in that way but I think you are wrong on your conclusion
Look we have a total investment that they paid the Italian of over the value of what the club was worth - Nigel comment in one interview at the time.
I don't know how many millions they paid but it was a large sum even by business purchase values to the asset base worth.
(That Italian had as we all know had the guy leaving in a Lofc paid rented house in Loughton company car and with him paying ridiculous money to his staff and players he wanted - that resulted in a total bottom line debt.
The new owners paid an inflated price and do you really believe they are not bright enough or commercially minded to understand any failure contributed by them choosing a person based on a salary difference would not be compatible with their objective which is getting back up to next division.

Well we will find out in the next day or two.
Just out of interest, who would you like appointed.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

We can’t afford to fix the roof in the East stand and you think they are going to appoint a Adams or Parkinson

I think your comment is cynical
I get what you are saying in that way but I think you are wrong on your conclusion
Look we have a total investment that they paid the Italian of over the value of what the club was worth - Nigel comment in one interview at the time.
I don't know how many millions they paid but it was a large sum even by business purchase values to the asset base worth.
(That Italian had as we all know had the guy leaving in a Lofc paid rented house in Loughton company car and with him paying ridiculous money to his staff and players he wanted - that resulted in a total bottom line debt.
The new owners paid an inflated price and do you really believe they are not bright enough or commercially minded to understand any failure contributed by them choosing a person based on a salary difference would not be compatible with their objective which is getting back up to next division.

Well we will find out in the next day or two.
Just out of interest, who would you like appointed.

Jeez, we will all know soon enough. This topic has been done to death.

Let’s just wait a while and instead of speculating about the new man you can move on to criticising him and the club for a poor choice, whoever they choose. Because you won’t be happy, whoever it is.

Whereas the rest of us will contain the usual mix of delighted and disappointed people based on personal but constructive preference.

[Byways1]

I think your comment is cynical
I get what you are saying in that way but I think you are wrong on your conclusion
Look we have a total investment that they paid the Italian of over the value of what the club was worth - Nigel comment in one interview at the time.
I don't know how many millions they paid but it was a large sum even by business purchase values to the asset base worth.
(That Italian had as we all know had the guy leaving in a Lofc paid rented house in Loughton company car and with him paying ridiculous money to his staff and players he wanted - that resulted in a total bottom line debt.
The new owners paid an inflated price and do you really believe they are not bright enough or commercially minded to understand any failure contributed by them choosing a person based on a salary difference would not be compatible with their objective which is getting back up to next division.

Well we will find out in the next day or two.
Just out of interest, who would you like appointed.

Jeez, we will all know soon enough. This topic has been done to death.

Let’s just wait a while and instead of speculating about the new man you can move on to criticising him and the club for a poor choice, whoever they choose. Because you won’t be happy, whoever it is.

Whereas the rest of us will contain the usual mix of delighted and disappointed people based on personal but constructive preference.

Don’t tell me I won’t be happy whoever is appointed you tool.
If it’s Adams, Parkinson or Campbell I will be happy.
But I suspect it won’t be.
The betting seems to be Currie will I think will be a disaster.