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Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:04 am**

Unelected, arrogant, clueless and has no empathy.

There is simply no-one worse.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:14 am**

Makes Malcolm Tucker look like a cuddly dream.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:21 am**

Probably, but if you think back he’s the same as Alistair Campbell. Why are these type of people hated so much? So divisive, so oblivious to people’s needs.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:24 am**

I fear opinion may again be divided along familiar lines once more.

If you count rent a gobs as being in politics then i reckon Katie Hopkins pips him. Spouts hwr racist poo poo for the sake of her bank balance rather than out of genuine hatred or stupidity. The callousness of that is worse than the evil of people who really hold those views.

Dominic Cummings is like the weird kid at school who was always burning holes in sh*t with his magnifying glass just to see what happened.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:26 am**

Hopkins is proper mental.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:37 am**

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:24 am I fear opinion may again be divided along familiar lines once

Exactly.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:49 am**

The difference between Cummings and his predecessors (Nick Timothy comes to mind) is that he actually thinks he is a genius. If any of you have ever read his ramblings at https://dominiccummings.com (and you really shouldn't) you would know that he considers himself of superior intellect. Hence, his tendency when confronted by individual MP's to ask "who are you", they are below him. On the bright side he will crash in flames very very soon.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:15 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:04 am Unelected, arrogant, clueless and has no empathy.

There is simply no-one worse.

I thought it was people like him that created Brexit. Unelected arrogant people in Brussels who are clueless.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:41 am**

jamespevans wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:49 am The difference between Cummings and his predecessors (Nick Timothy comes to mind) is that he actually thinks he is a genius. If any of you have ever read his ramblings at https://dominiccummings.com (and you really shouldn't) you would know that he considers himself of superior intellect. Hence, his tendency when confronted by individual MP's to ask "who are you", they are below him. On the bright side he will crash in flames very very soon.

Two points on that. Unsure if the 'who are you?' was genuine ignorance or just an insult as he'd already told Turner to 'get Brexit done', which suggests he knew he was an MP and probably knew who he was. So he's a fanny either way.

On Timothy, not so sure he doesn't think he's a genius, considering as soon as he left/got sacked by May, he walked straight into a Times column gig where he opined about the right way to do everything, neatly glossing over the fact he'd presided over several disasters. He's as Teflon as the rest of them.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:52 am**

Hard not to see BJ and Cummings as a package. Unclear at the moment which one is the evil genius and which is the sidekick.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:41 am**

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:41 am
jamespevans wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:49 am The difference between Cummings and his predecessors (Nick Timothy comes to mind) is that he actually thinks he is a genius. If any of you have ever read his ramblings at https://dominiccummings.com (and you really shouldn't) you would know that he considers himself of superior intellect. Hence, his tendency when confronted by individual MP's to ask "who are you", they are below him. On the bright side he will crash in flames very very soon.
Two points on that. Unsure if the 'who are you?' was genuine ignorance or just an insult as he'd already told Turner to 'get Brexit done', which suggests he knew he was an MP and probably knew who he was. So he's a c*** either way.

On Timothy, not so sure he doesn't think he's a genius, considering as soon as he left/got sacked by May, he walked straight into a Times column gig where he opined about the right way to do everything, neatly glossing over the fact he'd presided over several disasters. He's as Teflon as the rest of them.

So he's a c either way. Not a nice thing to say is it

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:45 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:04 am Unelected, arrogant, clueless and has no empathy.

There is simply no-one worse.

Thought you were describing yourself there for a minute

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 am**

Cummings used to work with a guy I know who runs a multi billion dollar hedge fund. Cummings is actually a genius. His strategy is working at the moment. Look how angry the Labour Party are meanwhile the Tory base are lapping it up. Cummings knows he needs all the brexit party votes ergo gone all Reg from Clacton.Thing is, I think he has blown it this time. A pact with the brexit party would work but the born to rule Tories lead by Cummings and Johnson have said no. They have not learned from Cameron and his fruitcakes line and the last thing out of central office was Farage is not a fit and proper person (which may be right but it’s a mute point). Not enough Brexit party voters will vote Tory anymore. I can guarantee it. My prediction for any election is that the Lib Dem’ win it. The brexit party will do better than expected and labour and the Tories vote collapses (labour more)

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:00 am**

Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 am Cummings used to work with a guy I know who runs a multi billion dollar hedge fund. Cummings is actually a genius. His strategy is working at the moment. Look how angry the Labour Party are meanwhile the Tory base are lapping it up. Cummings knows he needs all the brexit party votes ergo gone all Reg from Clacton.Thing is, I think he has blown it this time. A pact with the brexit party would work but the born to rule Tories lead by Cummings and Johnson have said no. They have not learned from Cameron and his fruitcakes line and the last thing out of central office was Farage is not a fit and proper person (which may be right but it’s a mute point). Not enough Brexit party voters will vote Tory anymore. I can guarantee it. My prediction for any election is that the Lib Dem’ win it. The brexit party will do better than expected and labour and the Tories vote collapses (labour more)

He's a smart cookie alright. But that's a bold prediction re Lib Dems 'winning' a general election. Are you basing that on some leave voters thinking that, if no deal is just going to happen, then may as well remain? Because I cannot see the remain vote unifying sufficiently for it to work across enough constituencies. I could see them gaining seats, for sure, but not winning.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:00 am**

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:41 am
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:41 am
jamespevans wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:49 am The difference between Cummings and his predecessors (Nick Timothy comes to mind) is that he actually thinks he is a genius. If any of you have ever read his ramblings at https://dominiccummings.com (and you really shouldn't) you would know that he considers himself of superior intellect. Hence, his tendency when confronted by individual MP's to ask "who are you", they are below him. On the bright side he will crash in flames very very soon.
Two points on that. Unsure if the 'who are you?' was genuine ignorance or just an insult as he'd already told Turner to 'get Brexit done', which suggests he knew he was an MP and probably knew who he was. So he's a c*** either way.

On Timothy, not so sure he doesn't think he's a genius, considering as soon as he left/got sacked by May, he walked straight into a Times column gig where he opined about the right way to do everything, neatly glossing over the fact he'd presided over several disasters. He's as Teflon as the rest of them.
So he's a c either way. Not a nice thing to say is it

Sorry snowflake.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:01 am**

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:24 am I fear opinion may again be divided along familiar lines once more.

If you count rent a gobs as being in politics then i reckon Katie Hopkins pips him. Spouts hwr racist poo poo for the sake of her bank balance rather than out of genuine hatred or stupidity. The callousness of that is worse than the evil of people who really hold those views.

Dominic Cummings is like the weird kid at school who was always burning holes in sh*t with his magnifying glass just to see what happened.

Don't get me started. Next you'll see "Individual 1" retweeting that vile thing.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:27 am**

LibDems winning the GE? How on god's earth would that happen?

There are enough people that vote Tory/Labour out of pure habit to stop that happening alone, let alone once you add in the clued ins that don't think the Libs are worth a toss.

The problem for the Libs will be once the election kicks in the Tories, Labour and the Brexit party will hog the air time because that is the narrative everyone cares about. Any time the Libs get will be spent scrutinising their entirely dubious political platform and their shameful record in government.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:33 am**

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:21 am Probably, but if you think back he’s the same as Alistair Campbell. Why are these type of people hated so much? So divisive, so oblivious to people’s needs.

Because they are successful at what they do and are a threat to the wishes/ desires of their opponents

Right wingers disliked/ hated Campbell because he was successful at getting Blair's policies/ ideas into play and challenged what those on the right wanted.

Ditto with Cummings...he successfully ran the Leave campaign and achieved what the remainers didn't want and now he is prepared to stand up to his haters and not simply roll over. He and Boris are far closer to bringing about Brexit that the subservient Teresa May was and as such is a real threat to wishes/ desires of remainers.

Both Campbell and Cummings were prepared to stand up for what they wanted and fight fire with fire.

Going back a little further, Bernard Ingham did a similar role for Margaret Thatcher and was similarly despised by those on the left

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:40 am**

Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 am Cummings used to work with a guy I know who runs a multi billion dollar hedge fund. Cummings is actually a genius. His strategy is working at the moment. Look how angry the Labour Party are meanwhile the Tory base are lapping it up. Cummings knows he needs all the brexit party votes ergo gone all Reg from Clacton.Thing is, I think he has blown it this time. A pact with the brexit party would work but the born to rule Tories lead by Cummings and Johnson have said no. They have not learned from Cameron and his fruitcakes line and the last thing out of central office was Farage is not a fit and proper person (which may be right but it’s a mute point). Not enough Brexit party voters will vote Tory anymore. I can guarantee it. My prediction for any election is that the Lib Dem’ win it. The brexit party will do better than expected and labour and the Tories vote collapses (labour more)

Hmm, talk about wanting your cake and eating it

His strategy is working
He has blown it this time

So you think he is winning and losing?

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:01 am**

Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 am My prediction for any election is that the Lib Dem’ win it.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:03 am**

Anyway, back to the original question - he's obviously a vile individual, but is he the worst? I doubt it. I'm sure there's lots and lots of people just like him within politics. It's just he's the one with the most clout at the moment.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:09 am**

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:40 am
Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 am Cummings used to work with a guy I know who runs a multi billion dollar hedge fund. Cummings is actually a genius. His strategy is working at the moment. Look how angry the Labour Party are meanwhile the Tory base are lapping it up. Cummings knows he needs all the brexit party votes ergo gone all Reg from Clacton.Thing is, I think he has blown it this time. A pact with the brexit party would work but the born to rule Tories lead by Cummings and Johnson have said no. They have not learned from Cameron and his fruitcakes line and the last thing out of central office was Farage is not a fit and proper person (which may be right but it’s a mute point). Not enough Brexit party voters will vote Tory anymore. I can guarantee it. My prediction for any election is that the Lib Dem’ win it. The brexit party will do better than expected and labour and the Tories vote collapses (labour more)

Hmm, talk about wanting your cake and eating it

His strategy is working
He has blown it this time

So you think he is winning and losing?

You missed the at the moment bit off. Cheeky.

I see labour at 22%. Brexit party 20. Tories. 26%. Libs 26 and a bit. I could be completely wrong. Whatever happens it’s going to be as tight as a gnats chaff.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:12 am**

Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:09 am
spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:40 am
Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 am Cummings used to work with a guy I know who runs a multi billion dollar hedge fund. Cummings is actually a genius. His strategy is working at the moment. Look how angry the Labour Party are meanwhile the Tory base are lapping it up. Cummings knows he needs all the brexit party votes ergo gone all Reg from Clacton.Thing is, I think he has blown it this time. A pact with the brexit party would work but the born to rule Tories lead by Cummings and Johnson have said no. They have not learned from Cameron and his fruitcakes line and the last thing out of central office was Farage is not a fit and proper person (which may be right but it’s a mute point). Not enough Brexit party voters will vote Tory anymore. I can guarantee it. My prediction for any election is that the Lib Dem’ win it. The brexit party will do better than expected and labour and the Tories vote collapses (labour more)

Hmm, talk about wanting your cake and eating it

His strategy is working
He has blown it this time

So you think he is winning and losing?

If he has blown it, then his strategy cannot not be working at the moment

You missed the at the moment bit off. Cheeky.

I see labour at 22%. Brexit party 20. Tories. 26%. Libs 26 and a bit. I could be completely wrong. Whatever happens it’s going to be as tight as a gnats chaff.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:17 am**

Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:09 am
spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:40 am
Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 am Cummings used to work with a guy I know who runs a multi billion dollar hedge fund. Cummings is actually a genius. His strategy is working at the moment. Look how angry the Labour Party are meanwhile the Tory base are lapping it up. Cummings knows he needs all the brexit party votes ergo gone all Reg from Clacton.Thing is, I think he has blown it this time. A pact with the brexit party would work but the born to rule Tories lead by Cummings and Johnson have said no. They have not learned from Cameron and his fruitcakes line and the last thing out of central office was Farage is not a fit and proper person (which may be right but it’s a mute point). Not enough Brexit party voters will vote Tory anymore. I can guarantee it. My prediction for any election is that the Lib Dem’ win it. The brexit party will do better than expected and labour and the Tories vote collapses (labour more)

Hmm, talk about wanting your cake and eating it

His strategy is working
He has blown it this time

So you think he is winning and losing?

You missed the at the moment bit off. Cheeky.

Actually that makes it worse

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:18 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:04 am Unelected, arrogant, clueless and has no empathy.

There is simply no-one worse.

Unelected, yes. Do you have a proof source for the other assertions or is it just your opinion based on your politics/Remain views? Or perhaps you know him personally?

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