Benn v Benn

[Still's Carenae]

Strange how Hillary Benn is at complete opposite to the views of his eminent father.

An entrepreneur view.

Tim Martin again stepped up to the plate for sticking it to the elitists who wish to block Brexit because they know better than we dirty 17.4 million plebs.  

 "Journalists regularly ask Wetherspoon for comments on Brexit - although some publications begrudge our few paragraphs on the subject in this section.

The UK is clearly in political deadlock, parliament having refused to carry out the pre-referendum promise in the leaflet sent to every household which said "The Government will implement what you decide.

Democratic power in the UK in the last 30 years has been diluted by a political faction in parliament, the media and boardrooms, which has a quasi-religious belief in the undemocratic EU - with its unelected presidents, MEPs who cannot instigate legislation and unaccountable court. Voters resent this loss of power - and distrust of politicians and the 'elite' is the result.

In recent weeks, the 21 'Tory rebels' (over half Oxbridge), who helped to block 'no-deal' were joined by 25 bishops (two-thirds Oxbridge), the latter group asserting, contrary, many of us believe, to common sense, that no-deal will be disadvantageous to the poor.

As another straw in the wind, former Supreme Court judge and Reith lecturer Lord Sumption described Brexit supporters as 'grim fanatics'.

John Bercow, Emily Thornberry, Dominic Grieve, Keir Starmer, Jo Johnson, Philip idge MPs have played a leading role in frustrating the referendum result, by enmeshing parliament in a legal and administrative spider's web.

The economic judgement of this faction, led in the past by the likes of Michael Heseltine, Peter Mandelson and Tony Blair, the CBI and the Financial Times, has been extremely poor.

It advocated joining the disastrous predecessor of the euro, the exchange rate mechanism, the euro itself, and incorrectly forecast an immediate recession in the event of a Leave vote in the referendum.

Author and athlete Matthew Syed has recently illustrated how a lack of diversity among elites leads to poor decisions. Investment guru Warren Buffett has pointed out that forecasts tell you a lot about the forecaster - but nothing about the future.

The faction's forecast today is that leaving the EU without a deal will be a 'cliff-edge', a 'catastrophe' or a 'disaster'.

Remainer MPs' main argument - having consistently voted against the only deal on offer - to justify their attempts to scupper Brexit, is that costs for consumers and businesses will axiomatically increase in the event of 'no deal'.

However, leaving without a deal avoids a legal liability to pay £39 billion, allows the UK to eliminate protectionist import taxes (tariffs) on over 12,000 non-EU products, (including rice, oranges, bananas, Antipodean wine, children's clothes and car parts etc) and results in resumption of the control of fishing waters.

Above all, no-deal increases UK democracy - the most powerful economic stimulant.

It is an absurdity to argue that a reduction in UK input costs, combined with increased democracy, will have a harmful effect on the economy - just as it would be absurd for a business to adopt this argument if its own costs were reduced.

Free trade, which the ending of tariffs implies, never made any country poorer, as former Australian High Commissioner, Alexander Downer, recently said.

Elite Remainers are ignoring the 'big picture', regarding lower input costs and more democracy, and are mistakenly concentrating on assumed short-term problems, such as potential delays at Channel ports - which are easier to extrapolate on their computer models."

Ends.

Spot on. Martin argues as did my Grandfather in the 1975 vote, a man who know a bit about food prices having headed up MAFF that ending tariffs, as the UK could on all imports of food from all over the world, will in fact cut food prices. It will benefit the poor more than anyone. Martin argues this as a capitalist, my Grandfather was a Bennite and like Benn himself opposed the EU because it screwed the working class.

Perhaps that is why Goldman Sachs, the FT and the other elitists are such Euro fanatics.

[Disoriented]

I knew Nigel Benn was making a comeback but taking on Hilary Benn is too much surely.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Is Uncle Benn's brother sueing him for royalties?

[Beradogs]

Thought you were talking about a fantasy fight. Nigel vs Conor. Far more interesting. Without going all Sid bishop. Nigel “the dark destroyer” Benn was one of the greatest boxers of my generation. A hard hard man with a mean left hook. Conor is raw but has potential. A bit wild and wide open to the counter right at the moment but has some potential. Right now it would be a massacre and the old man would probably beat him if they fought even now but there is something in Conor that his dad had. Raw aggression. Looking forward to the young kids progress.

[O my gawd]

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Think I've got the wrong end of the stick as well.
Hilary Benn? Never heard of her

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Thought you were talking about a fantasy fight. Nigel vs Conor. Far more interesting. Without going all Sid bishop. Nigel “the dark destroyer” Benn was one of the greatest boxers of my generation. A hard hard man with a mean left hook. Conor is raw but has potential. A bit wild and wide open to the counter right at the moment but has some potential. Right now it would be a massacre and the old man would probably beat him if they fought even now but there is something in Conor that his dad had. Raw aggression. Looking forward to the young kids progress.

I thought the next thread would be Eubank v Eubank.

[Chief crazy horse]

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Hilary Benn? Never heard of her

Well exactly. Tony Benn was a nice enough fellow, very intelligent but nevertheless, a plonker. I mean, anyone who christens his son 'Hilary' just has to be a plonker...

[whittle81]

I hear this all the time, the surprise that he is not like his Dad, why is it surprise? He does not have to have the same political views as his Dad!!!

[RedDwarf 1881]

Benn senior will be spinning in his grave over the antics of his two bob son.

[Disoriented]

Benn senior will be spinning in his grave over the antics of his two bob son.

Hardly. He will be proud that his son has principles, something your lot have zero of.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Benn senior will be spinning in his grave over the antics of his two bob son.

Hardly. He will be proud that his son has principles, something your lot have zero of.

[Still's Carenae]

5165YD1A52L.jpgThink I've got the wrong end of the stick as well.
Hilary Benn? Never heard of her

Well exactly. Tony Benn was a nice enough fellow, very intelligent but nevertheless, a plonker. I mean, anyone who christens his son 'Hilary' just has to be a plonker...

He had been listening to Jonny Cash.

[Chief crazy horse]

I was thinking exactly the same thing! "my name is Sue, how do you do......!"

[tuffers#1]

Could you imagine having a relative in politics.

How Embarrassing would it be if 1 gave up politics because of
the others strange decisions.