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Scottish appeal judges rule in Court That Bojo lied to the Queen in proroguing Parliament. As this was in such a serious matter of State, sounds to me like High Treason. Is hanging, drawing & quartering still on the statute books?

Democracy will win. 17.4 million voters demand it.

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:11 pm Democracy will win. 17.4 million voters demand it.

Fantastic - so all those people want Boris held to account. Democracy at last!

West Side Story wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:05 pm Scottish appeal judges rule in Court That Bojo lied to the Queen in proroguing Parliament. As this was in such a serious matter of State, sounds to me like High Treason. Is hanging, drawing & quartering still on the statute books?

Shame for you the Scottish courts didn't rule as you allege.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:05 pm Scottish appeal judges rule in Court That Bojo lied to the Queen in proroguing Parliament. As this was in such a serious matter of State, sounds to me like High Treason. Is hanging, drawing & quartering still on the statute books?

Far too tough. Hanging is enough.

England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:20 pm

West Side Story wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:05 pm Scottish appeal judges rule in Court That Bojo lied to the Queen in proroguing Parliament. As this was in such a serious matter of State, sounds to me like High Treason. Is hanging, drawing & quartering still on the statute books?

Shame for you the Scottish courts didn't rule as you allege.

The lies were pretty obvious from the start and one of the judges remarked on it. The actual ruling is more important as it makes the suspension of parliament unlawful. I fully expect the Supreme Court to uphold this ruling.

First Prince Andrew, now Boris. All these people lying to her maj

I don't think Her Majestyn was lied to, she would have signed off on anything her government handed her without reason or question, remember the last monarch who went against this ended up nine inches shorter.

Lying to the voting public is another matter. The courts have already decided that in political campaigning you can come out with cartloads of B******T without any problem at all. Lying to parliament is also not now seen as much of a problem as it was in the past. (Westland report et al) I will leave it to Spen to define what constitutes treason, but I can't see anything in this whole sorry mess that it could be applied to.

Mikero

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

Exactly. Funny how suddenly some on this board think Scottish Law more important than English or Welsh.
Fact is apart from London, the SE of England and Scotland the rest of the the uk voted to leave the EU. Overall the majority who voted to leave was over 1,400,000.
That is democracy not the desperate despicable acts of an opposition aided and abetted by a very biased, uncouth, cocky, arrogant Speaker who has suddenly realised he will lose his seat at the next General Election as can’t stand as a Conservative because he’ll be deselected and the Conservative majority in his constituency is over 20,000

Apparently Farage is according to Downing St " not a fit and proper person to be in government"
They should know, plenty of experience with that particular trait

Mikero wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:32 pm ...I will leave it to Spen to define what constitutes treason, but I can't see anything in this whole sorry mess that it could be applied to.

Mikero

Irrespective of what version of events you believe to be true in the whole Brexit saga, I struggle to see any offence of treason by anyone.

The nearest I can see is under the Treason Act 1351 which had an offence as follows

"adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid and comfort, in the realm or elsewhere"

It is really not credible to say the EU are the sovereigns enemies.

All this talk of treason doesn't help the issues. To disagree with others is not treason

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:21 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

Exactly. Funny how suddenly some on this board think Scottish Law more important than English or Welsh.
Fact is apart from London, the SE of England and Scotland the rest of the the uk voted to leave the EU. Overall the majority who voted to leave was over 1,400,000.
That is democracy not the desperate despicable acts of an opposition aided and abetted by a very biased, uncouth, cocky, arrogant Speaker who has suddenly realised he will lose his seat at the next General Election as can’t stand as a Conservative because he’ll be deselected and the Conservative majority in his constituency is over 20,000

Uncouth?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:57 pm

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:21 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

Exactly. Funny how suddenly some on this board think Scottish Law more important than English or Welsh.
Fact is apart from London, the SE of England and Scotland the rest of the the uk voted to leave the EU. Overall the majority who voted to leave was over 1,400,000.
That is democracy not the desperate despicable acts of an opposition aided and abetted by a very biased, uncouth, cocky, arrogant Speaker who has suddenly realised he will lose his seat at the next General Election as can’t stand as a Conservative because he’ll be deselected and the Conservative majority in his constituency is over 20,000

Uncouth?

Definition ‘lacking good manners, refinement or grace’.

Yes there was a majority, yes we should leave but everyone, including MPs, have the right to criticise how it is being done without being subject to constant abuse.

Mikero

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

Wrong. The Scottish decision was made at Appeal Court level but the English decision was made at 1st instance level. The Scottish decision being the higher court prevails.

Why is Spen not pointing this out? Lazy sod.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:00 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:20 pm

West Side Story wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:05 pm Scottish appeal judges rule in Court That Bojo lied to the Queen in proroguing Parliament. As this was in such a serious matter of State, sounds to me like High Treason. Is hanging, drawing & quartering still on the statute books?

Shame for you the Scottish courts didn't rule as you allege.

The lies were pretty obvious from the start and one of the judges remarked on it. The actual ruling is more important as it makes the suspension of parliament unlawful. I fully expect the Supreme Court to uphold this ruling.

Being a Remoaner you would.

Just face it you Lost.

We're Leaving the EU.

Look on the bright side, we should finish mid-table.

I think this makes my last point perfectly.

Mikero

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

Wrong. The Scottish decision was made at Appeal Court level but the English decision was made at 1st instance level. The Scottish decision being the higher court prevails.

Why is Spen not pointing this out? Lazy sod.

I think you're find the Supreme Court prevails and that sits next week .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:56 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

Wrong. The Scottish decision was made at Appeal Court level but the English decision was made at 1st instance level. The Scottish decision being the higher court prevails.

Why is Spen not pointing this out? Lazy sod.

I think you're find the Supreme Court prevails and that sits next week .

Ah yes, weren't the Leavers calling them all traitors a few months ago?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

Wrong. The Scottish decision was made at Appeal Court level but the English decision was made at 1st instance level. The Scottish decision being the higher court prevails.

Why is Spen not pointing this out? Lazy sod.

Iam not sure you are correct.

The Scottish Appellate Court is not a higher court than the English High Court because they are separate legal systems and these respective courts only have authority within their jurisdictions.

The Supreme Court is different as its jurisdiction covers the United Kingdom (and when sitting as Privvy Council, much of the former Commonwealth)

what proof is there Boris lied.
nothing in writing nothing on tape its just non stop remoaning.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:56 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

Wrong. The Scottish decision was made at Appeal Court level but the English decision was made at 1st instance level. The Scottish decision being the higher court prevails.

Why is Spen not pointing this out? Lazy sod.

I think you're find the Supreme Court prevails and that sits next week .

Of course it does. Where did I say it didn't. As matters currently stand the decision is unlawful unless the SC rules otherwise.

greyhound wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:37 am what proof is there Boris lied.
nothing in writing nothing on tape its just non stop remoaning.

It was produced as evidence during the hearing and one of the judges remarked on it. I'm sure it will feature in the written decision when it's issued.

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:00 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 pm

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm England and Wales courts disagree with the Scots - wonder why? 2-1 up and now into extra time at the Supreme Court. Either way, we will be free on Nov 1st

Wrong. The Scottish decision was made at Appeal Court level but the English decision was made at 1st instance level. The Scottish decision being the higher court prevails.

Why is Spen not pointing this out? Lazy sod.

Iam not sure you are correct.

The Scottish Appellate Court is not a higher court than the English High Court because they are separate legal systems and these respective courts only have authority within their jurisdictions.

The Supreme Court is different as its jurisdiction covers the United Kingdom (and when sitting as Privvy Council, much of the former Commonwealth)

I'm sure I'm right.