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Beradogs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:20 am The Labour Party were the last to prorogue Parliament. Hysterical remainiacs have only themselves to blame.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:39 am Cant you see that allowing no deal is essential to a good negotiation?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:14 am TBH, as badly as I want to leave the EU,we should apply for another short extension and have a General Election. That way we can get rid of a lot of the Remainer MPs like,Soubry and a Wollaston.

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:29 am

Beradogs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:20 am The Labour Party were the last to prorogue Parliament. Hysterical remainiacs have only themselves to blame.

Nothing hysterical about wanting Parliament to have a say in what is likely to be an immensely damaging decision for the Country. Nobody has voted for a no deal Brexit. If you're happy for one man to suddenly decide he has total power over all our destinies then you really are wearing blinkers. I would have thought that even Brexiteers would recognise that this is one huge step too far.

spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:43 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:14 am TBH, as badly as I want to leave the EU,we should apply for another short extension and have a General Election. That way we can get rid of a lot of the Remainer MPs like,Soubry and a Wollaston.

What will a General Election sort?

People will be voting on a whole range of issues. For example if I vote for a Brexit supporting Labour candidate is that because I support Brexit, I support a no deal Bre it or because I agree with labour's health policy, or its tax policy etc

A General Election provides no mandate on Brexit at all. It creates even more uncertainty

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:39 am Cant you see that allowing no deal is essential to a good negotiation?

Flying Hippo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:39 am Perhaps there's a better way of looking at this?

The integrity of British parliamentary democracy needs to be rebuilt. This is due to the fundamentally anti-democratic behaviour of the majority of Conservative and almost all Labour MPs (bar a handful of heroes) during the May administration. It is now over three years and two months since the Referendum and, for the first time, minds appear, at last, to begin accepting that the United Kingdom will leave the European Union in October despite a three year, two month hissy fit.

Quite simply, the behaviour of those Conservative and Labour MPs who have done everything possible to subvert the democratic decision of the British people is what has brought democracy in this country into disrepute. In order to re-establish any credibility in true parliamentary democracy the decision of the electorate must be fulfilled; manifesto pledges must be honoured, and there has to be an acceptance that the European Union has been operating as a hostile foreign entity contrary to the best interest of the British people. (Actually an inept, corrupt, failing hostile entity.) Therefore the Prime Minister is compelled to ensure the United Kingdom leaves the EU by the end of October by whatever means possible. If he is sabotaged in so doing he will win by a landslide at the next election and will deliver the country's formal departure soon thereafter. It's going to happen and it's well past the time to start coming to terms with it.

Tom Chance wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:50 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:29 am

Beradogs wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:20 am The Labour Party were the last to prorogue Parliament. Hysterical remainiacs have only themselves to blame.

Nothing hysterical about wanting Parliament to have a say in what is likely to be an immensely damaging decision for the Country. Nobody has voted for a no deal Brexit. If you're happy for one man to suddenly decide he has total power over all our destinies then you really are wearing blinkers. I would have thought that even Brexiteers would recognise that this is one huge step too far.

How do you know what people voted for ? Have you asked everyone in the country then ?

redintheface wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:50 am Not sure this move is any less “ democratic” than the attempts by a group of MPs to give themselves new powers to take control of Parliament and stop an exit from the EU! As said above, these people have had three years to act upon the referendum result and failed - time to move on.

redintheface wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:50 am Not sure this move is any less “ democratic” than the attempts by a group of MPs to give themselves new powers to take control of Parliament and stop an exit from the EU! As said above, these people have had three years to act upon the referendum result and failed - time to move on.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:55 am

Flying Hippo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:39 am Perhaps there's a better way of looking at this?

The integrity of British parliamentary democracy needs to be rebuilt. This is due to the fundamentally anti-democratic behaviour of the majority of Conservative and almost all Labour MPs (bar a handful of heroes) during the May administration. It is now over three years and two months since the Referendum and, for the first time, minds appear, at last, to begin accepting that the United Kingdom will leave the European Union in October despite a three year, two month hissy fit.

Quite simply, the behaviour of those Conservative and Labour MPs who have done everything possible to subvert the democratic decision of the British people is what has brought democracy in this country into disrepute. In order to re-establish any credibility in true parliamentary democracy the decision of the electorate must be fulfilled; manifesto pledges must be honoured, and there has to be an acceptance that the European Union has been operating as a hostile foreign entity contrary to the best interest of the British people. (Actually an inept, corrupt, failing hostile entity.) Therefore the Prime Minister is compelled to ensure the United Kingdom leaves the EU by the end of October by whatever means possible. If he is sabotaged in so doing he will win by a landslide at the next election and will deliver the country's formal departure soon thereafter. It's going to happen and it's well past the time to start coming to terms with it.

A true parliamentary democracy has nothing to do with referenda and suspending it sitting as a means to implement a highly contentious Brexit is unacceptable and dangerous. You can't argue for democracy and then suggest it should be suspended.

Flying Hippo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:39 am Perhaps there's a better way of looking at this?

The integrity of British parliamentary democracy needs to be rebuilt. This is due to the fundamentally anti-democratic behaviour of the majority of Conservative and almost all Labour MPs (bar a handful of heroes) during the May administration. It is now over three years and two months since the Referendum and, for the first time, minds appear, at last, to begin accepting that the United Kingdom will leave the European Union in October despite a three year, two month hissy fit.

Quite simply, the behaviour of those Conservative and Labour MPs who have done everything possible to subvert the democratic decision of the British people is what has brought democracy in this country into disrepute. In order to re-establish any credibility in true parliamentary democracy the decision of the electorate must be fulfilled; manifesto pledges must be honoured, and there has to be an acceptance that the European Union has been operating as a hostile foreign entity contrary to the best interest of the British people. (Actually an inept, corrupt, failing hostile entity.) Therefore the Prime Minister is compelled to ensure the United Kingdom leaves the EU by the end of October by whatever means possible. If he is sabotaged in so doing he will win by a landslide at the next election and will deliver the country's formal departure soon thereafter. It's going to happen and it's well past the time to start coming to terms with it.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:08 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:55 am

Flying Hippo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:39 am Perhaps there's a better way of looking at this?

The integrity of British parliamentary democracy needs to be rebuilt. This is due to the fundamentally anti-democratic behaviour of the majority of Conservative and almost all Labour MPs (bar a handful of heroes) during the May administration. It is now over three years and two months since the Referendum and, for the first time, minds appear, at last, to begin accepting that the United Kingdom will leave the European Union in October despite a three year, two month hissy fit.

Quite simply, the behaviour of those Conservative and Labour MPs who have done everything possible to subvert the democratic decision of the British people is what has brought democracy in this country into disrepute. In order to re-establish any credibility in true parliamentary democracy the decision of the electorate must be fulfilled; manifesto pledges must be honoured, and there has to be an acceptance that the European Union has been operating as a hostile foreign entity contrary to the best interest of the British people. (Actually an inept, corrupt, failing hostile entity.) Therefore the Prime Minister is compelled to ensure the United Kingdom leaves the EU by the end of October by whatever means possible. If he is sabotaged in so doing he will win by a landslide at the next election and will deliver the country's formal departure soon thereafter. It's going to happen and it's well past the time to start coming to terms with it.

A true parliamentary democracy has nothing to do with referenda and suspending it sitting as a means to implement a highly contentious Brexit is unacceptable and dangerous. You can't argue for democracy and then suggest it should be suspended.

So what do you know about Democracy ? If you and people of like mind got their own way, we would have a Stalinist type, extreme left wing, one party state and like China is now, a government that is unable to be voted out !!

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:16 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:08 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:55 am

A true parliamentary democracy has nothing to do with referenda and suspending it sitting as a means to implement a highly contentious Brexit is unacceptable and dangerous. You can't argue for democracy and then suggest it should be suspended.

So what do you know about Democracy ? If you and people of like mind got their own way, we would have a Stalinist type, extreme left wing, one party state and like China is now, a government that is unable to be voted out !!

Looks like your post is straight from the knee jerk moron politically uneducated school of thought which dictates that when you are clueless and IMBECILIC just make it up