Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Looking at the two play off matches the wrestling, shoving, pulling, arms encircling antics seem to have reached epidemic proportions.
This seems to be tolerated by the refs, although it leads to delays whilst the refs have words then the players resume their antics. It’s not a great part of the game, I don’t like it at all, not a good spectacle for the sport.
Is it the same in the Premier League?
With VAR in operation at the final, can we expect to see 10 penalties or so in the match or is this now an accepted part of the game?

I agree refs should not talk to them first , simply let the game proceed and give a foul to defending side or a penalty. It will soon stop then !

It’s moving on into other parts of the game. You now see players being held whilst making runs and the ref letting it go.

Something will be done, just a matter of time but I’d rather it was now.

It's ridiculous what goes on, yet a player sticks his arse backwards into someone and goes down and that's always a foul.

IIRC something was going to be done about this ‘wrestling at corners’ last season
Last nights game at Charlton it reached epidemic levels as players held and pulled opponents, the Refs seem to have just turned a blind eye and allow it to go on.

AI overview

"Wrestling" at corners in football, often described as holding, pulling, or shoving players, is a contentious issue that has gained more attention in recent years. While it's a common tactic used by defenders to prevent attackers from getting to the ball, the extent of this physical contact and its impact on the game is debated.
Why it's a problem:
Against the rules:
The laws of the game generally discourage body contact when the ball is not in play or close by. Wrestling at corners can be seen as a way to circumvent these rules and gain an unfair advantage.
Affects the attacking team:
By making it difficult for attackers to get to the ball, wrestling can negate the advantage that the attacking team has from the corner kick.
Not always penalized:
Referees don't always penalize wrestling at corners, which can lead to frustration for the attacking team and a perceived lack of fair play.
Potential for injury:
The physical contact involved in wrestling can increase the risk of injuries, especially if players are thrown to the ground.
Arguments for and against:
Proponents argue: that wrestling is a necessary part of defending against set pieces, as attackers are likely to use their physical strength and height to get to the ball.
Opponents argue: that it's a form of foul play and should be penalized more consistently.
Some suggest that clearer guidelines and stricter enforcement could help to reduce wrestling at corners.
Potential solutions:
Closer scrutiny by referees:
Referees could be encouraged to more strictly enforce the rules regarding body contact and holding at corners.
Use of VAR:
Video Assistant Referee (VAR) could be used to review questionable wrestling incidents at corners and help referees make more accurate decisions.
Clearer communication from governing bodies:
FIFA or UEFA could issue clearer guidelines on the permissible use of physical contact at corners.

Double post, apologies

In the 2018 World Cup England got about 4 pens for it after a directive to cut it out. Then for some reason they stopped giving them for it. Probably everyone moaning about too many pens and refs being soft for giving them for a bit of pulling

Still think the two Beckles wrestles would have been giving if that was in the final

Hope Richie warns the boys to be careful Saturday week
We’re not used to VAR, guess same applies to Charlton