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Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:43 pm**

RW to rebuild the team again - provided he’s still here - poor start to the season, good middle section followed by a disappointing end. Middle table again! Cest la vie!

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:45 pm**

Was always about next season really

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:51 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:45 pm Was always about next season really

Agreed. We certainly would have been in the sh!t if we had managed to get promotion!
Hope Wellens stays but have my doubts.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:00 pm**

Massive rebuild ahead, looking at a good 15 players unless Spurs and Oxford are feeling really generous and let us keep Keeley, Donley and Currie...

GK - 2 new players (Keeley loan end, Howes release)
LB - 2 new players (Currie loan end, move Sweeney on)
CB - 2 new players (Simpson end of contract, move Cooper on)
RB - 2 new players (Galbraith back to CM or sold, Clare now a CM)

James could in theory be the reserve RB / LB though in an ideal world would move him on too, injury record is a concern

CM - replace Ball (not convinced by him), Pratley (might choose now as the time to move to coaching), Galbraith (sold?)
CAM - Abdulai replaces Donley so may be OK there, need maybe 1 more

Wingers - a fair bit of churn here with the loanees and also need to release both Graham and Archibald to free up much needed wages. The latter could join on non-contract later down the line if he gets fit. At least 2 required

Striker - up to 3 new strikers required once Kelman (end of loan) and Agyei (end of contract) go plus we've been one short since January 2024 which needs to be addressed

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:03 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:00 pm Massive rebuild ahead, looking at a good 15 players unless Spurs and Oxford are feeling really generous and let us keep Keeley, Donley and Currie...

GK - 2 new players (Keeley loan end, Howes release)
LB - 2 new players (Currie loan end, move Sweeney on)
CB - 2 new players (Simpson end of contract, move Cooper on)
RB - 2 new players (Galbraith back to CM or sold, Clare now a CM)

James could in theory be the reserve RB / LB though in an ideal world would move him on too, injury record is a concern

CM - replace Ball (not convinced by him), Pratley (might choose now as the time to move to coaching), Galbraith (sold?)
CAM - Abdulai replaces Donley so may be OK there, need maybe 1 more

Wingers - a fair bit of churn here with the loanees and also need to release both Graham and Archibald to free up much needed wages. The latter could join on non-contract later down the line if he gets fit. At least 2 required

Striker - up to 3 new strikers required once Kelman (end of loan) and Agyei (end of contract) go plus we've been one short since January 2024 which needs to be addressed

You left out Markanday ( loan) and Williams ( short term contract) both of whom I would imagine will be leaving.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:09 pm**

So 15 players required
Richie’s yearly team rebuilding
They’ll all be bedded in by Xmas!

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:24 pm**

redintheface wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:03 pm You left out Markanday ( loan) and Williams ( short term contract) both of whom I would imagine will be leaving.

Yes couldn't remember who the other loanee winger was, of course Markanday.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:34 pm**

PKM wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:09 pm So 15 players required
Richie’s yearly team rebuilding
They’ll all be bedded in by Xmas!

I wonder how many of the 15 will be loanees?

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:48 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:45 pm Was always about next season really

That doesn’t really work when you build a squad of loanees.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:54 pm**

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:48 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:45 pm Was always about next season really
That doesn’t really work when you build a squad of loanees.

Indeed, some of the loanees will have learnt a lot from this season. However we're highly unlikely to see any benefit from that.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:56 pm**

PKM wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:09 pm So 15 players required
Richie’s yearly team rebuilding
They’ll all be bedded in by Xmas!

Lingys Coffee machine will be broke by then

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:57 pm**

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:56 pm
PKM wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:09 pm So 15 players required
Richie’s yearly team rebuilding
They’ll all be bedded in by Xmas!
Lingys Coffee machine will be broke by then

Maybe we should hire a Barista Coach to improve the coffee production process

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:57 pm**

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:48 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:45 pm Was always about next season really
That doesn’t really work when you build a squad of loanees.

Well, you could argue that we knew promotion was very hard this year - Richie said as much in the summer and for a good few months into the season. It was probably discussed in some way when deciding where to put our money and was decided that building a squad that has a couple of years of stability should wait until next year.

We’ve outperformed everyone’s expectations. When the dust settles we’ll all look back at this season as a success and perhaps a necessary building block for a promotion push next year

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:58 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:54 pm
The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:48 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:45 pm Was always about next season really
That doesn’t really work when you build a squad of loanees.
Indeed, some of the loanees will have learnt a lot from this season. However we're highly unlikely to see any benefit from that.

Yeah, we’ve not had any benefit from Kelman, donely, keeley etc…

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 7:32 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:58 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:54 pm
The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:48 pm

That doesn’t really work when you build a squad of loanees.
Indeed, some of the loanees will have learnt a lot from this season. However we're highly unlikely to see any benefit from that.
Yeah, we’ve not had any benefit from Kelman, donely, keeley etc…

You should know better than to disagree with the ‘Holy one’.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 7:44 pm**

PKM wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:09 pm So 15 players required
Richie’s yearly team rebuilding
They’ll all be bedded in by Xmas!

Exactly. We need lots of players. We never do anything quickly in the transfer market. We will be in the bottom four after 10 games. Rinse and repeat. I guess such is life being an orient fan. Not sure RW will put up with it though and will probably be off.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:08 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:00 pm Massive rebuild ahead, looking at a good 15 players unless Spurs and Oxford are feeling really generous and let us keep Keeley, Donley and Currie...

GK - 2 new players (Keeley loan end, Howes release)
LB - 2 new players (Currie loan end, move Sweeney on)
CB - 2 new players (Simpson end of contract, move Cooper on)
RB - 2 new players (Galbraith back to CM or sold, Clare now a CM)

James could in theory be the reserve RB / LB though in an ideal world would move him on too, injury record is a concern

CM - replace Ball (not convinced by him), Pratley (might choose now as the time to move to coaching), Galbraith (sold?)
CAM - Abdulai replaces Donley so may be OK there, need maybe 1 more

Wingers - a fair bit of churn here with the loanees and also need to release both Graham and Archibald to free up much needed wages. The latter could join on non-contract later down the line if he gets fit. At least 2 required

Striker - up to 3 new strikers required once Kelman (end of loan) and Agyei (end of contract) go plus we've been one short since January 2024 which needs to be addressed

We really need to replace Happe as well. As good a cb as he is, he breaks down every year.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:17 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:58 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:54 pm
The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:48 pm

That doesn’t really work when you build a squad of loanees.
Indeed, some of the loanees will have learnt a lot from this season. However we're highly unlikely to see any benefit from that.
Yeah, we’ve not had any benefit from Kelman, donely, keeley etc…

Read again, we won't benefit next season from whatever they've learnt this year unless their parent clubs are feeling particularly generous in letting them come back for a second spell

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:40 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:17 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:58 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:54 pm

Indeed, some of the loanees will have learnt a lot from this season. However we're highly unlikely to see any benefit from that.
Yeah, we’ve not had any benefit from Kelman, donely, keeley etc…
Read again, we won't benefit next season from whatever they've learnt this year unless their parent clubs are feeling particularly generous in letting them come back for a second spell

So? We probably won’t benefit from Galbraith or Agyei. Just like we won’t benefit next year from Cox or Terry Howard.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:41 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:54 pm
The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:48 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:45 pm Was always about next season really
That doesn’t really work when you build a squad of loanees.
Indeed, some of the loanees will have learnt a lot from this season. However we're highly unlikely to see any benefit from that.

We’ve already had the benefit of them being here.

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:56 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:40 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:17 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:58 pm

Yeah, we’ve not had any benefit from Kelman, donely, keeley etc…
Read again, we won't benefit next season from whatever they've learnt this year unless their parent clubs are feeling particularly generous in letting them come back for a second spell
So? We probably won’t benefit from Galbraith or Agyei. Just like we won’t benefit next year from Cox or Terry Howard.

We will benefit from the significant transfer fee Galbraith will bring in

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:22 pm**

Same old, same old.Lack of depth in quality and quality of players at the club.
I appreciate Nigel Travis saving the club but it was obvious with the size of the stadium that as soon as we knew we were promoted to League 1 that an urgent search for massive investment was needed, that happened far too late and that’s why we are where we are now.I feel so sorry for our amazing Manager RW who has had to try and make a silk purse from a sows ear.
Last year when we just failed to get in the play offs is proof in the pudding that investors were sought far too late.
I hope RW stays and we get the massive investment needed to build a quality in depth squad capable of at least the play offs next year.

Up the O’s

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:52 pm**

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:22 pm Same old, same old.Lack of depth in quality and quality of players at the club.
I appreciate Nigel Travis saving the club but it was obvious with the size of the stadium that as soon as we knew we were promoted to League 1 that an urgent search for massive investment was needed, that happened far too late and that’s why we are where we are now.I feel so sorry for our amazing Manager RW who has had to try and make a silk purse from a sows ear.
Last year when we just failed to get in the play offs is proof in the pudding that investors were sought far too late.
I hope RW stays and we get the massive investment needed to build a quality in depth squad capable of at least the play offs next year.

Up the O’s

You can't just pluck new investors out of a hat , it takes time . Due diligence also takes time . Look at what happened on a previous occasion. God forbid that ever happens again . I'm happy to be patient because the club is progressing in the right direction.
Edit . Just to add I agree Richie is an amazing manager . If we can get the right new investment I'm very confident Richie can take us up to the next level .

Posted: **Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:08 pm**

I think it’s unfair to say ‘same old, same old’, the Jan transfer window cost the O’s a serious amount of money in transfer fees & wages. The bod backed RW
We’ve just been unfortunate with the schedule and the concentration of injuries to the back line.

Posted: **Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:44 am**

PKM wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:08 pm I think it’s unfair to say ‘same old, same old’, the Jan transfer window cost the O’s a serious amount of money in transfer fees & wages. The bod backed RW
We’ve just been unfortunate with the schedule and the concentration of injuries to the back line.

Nail on head.

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