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You can actually see the tag back on Currie from this angle before he makes the perfectly clean tackle. Should have been a free kick to us.

Who was the ref? Has he had games with this big a crowd before? That can be the only explanation for this decision.

Surely the club will appeal NEVER A RED IN A MILLION YEARS

I don’t even think it’s a foul. His studs are not showing. Yes he’s gone into the guy afterwards but only with his toes down. It’s not high, it’s not late, it’s not dangerous. Still furious. Jack must be livid!

It seems to me that as soon as you take both feet off the floor the refs are looking to send you off. Can't see it getting rescinded, they'll still say it's reckless.

I’m going to be in the minority here but he takes off with both feet off the ground into that lunge. I can see why the ref has given him a red. As soon as you leave the floor you’re no longer in control and it can be deemed as a wreckless and dangerous challenge.

You’re wrong.

He doesn’t ’take off’. He’s shrugging off the Birmingham player pulling him back.

The Lino’s non-reaction tells you all you need to know.

As bad a decision as it is it won’t get overturned. Only hope is if we appeal it will happen after Saturday so he’s available

Got to be honest, on first viewing that doesn’t look great to me. I can see why the ref gave it. I don’t think the club will appeal on that showing. That’s a 3 match ban then, ffs.

Would love to see if there is an angle to see if the ref had a clear view, or did he only see the initial lunge and then the crowd made it sound worse than what it was.

Their manager said “definitely red, he comes flying in with studs up…”

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:39 am Their manager said “definitely red, he comes flying in with studs up…”

He should be joining the Ref down at Specsavers this morning

This is where we need the expertise of OFF to give us his professional opinion on the decision.

Off subject I think OFF has been the subject to a TikTok reel or whatever they are called having an altercation with a player while refereeing a 5 a side game.

The fact we are even debating if it’s a red shows how pathetic football has become when it comes to physical contact. What does high degree of danger even mean. He got clipped on the leg for gods sake. They won’t be happy until it’s a game of basketball. Which it almost is already.

I guess he jumped a little bit. Is that reckless/uncontrolled?

Watching it from the stand in the ground, my first thought and my mate also, was that he could get a red here. We, the ref also, had only one angle to look at and made a decision from that. Looking back it looks harsh, but at the time not a surprise.

One to forget about really. Can't do anything about it - we have a LB in waiting who has a chance to show what he's made of now and that game won't define our season.

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:42 am Watching it from the stand in the ground, my first thought and my mate also, was that he could get a red here. We, the ref also, had only one angle to look at and made a decision from that. Looking back it looks harsh, but at the time not a surprise.

That’s an interesting perspective. Watching it on the stream it never occurred to me he was in danger. The lino gave a throw in. Personally I think the Birmingham players might have got in his head.

I was really shocked when he pulled out the red card.

Well done to his fellow professionals who rolled around and told the ref to send him off, they must be so proud.

Birmingham did seem more concerned with surrounding the ref than seeing if their teammate was ok.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:25 am You’re wrong.

He doesn’t ’take off’. He’s shrugging off the Birmingham player pulling him back.

The Lino’s non-reaction tells you all you need to know.

I’m wrong on what count?

Him having both feet off the ground or him having both feet of the ground being dangerous and reckless?


I’m assuming the latter because there’s a video in this thread where you can clearly see him with both feet off the ground.

Whether or not that’s automatically reckless is a fair question and I don’t necessarily agree that it is but I can see why a ref might deem it to be.

Basically, I don’t think it’s as absurd a decision as many on here are making it out to be.

I think the issue is more with the rule than with the application in that situation. Refs are obviously given a clear instruction now that any challenge where a player takes both feet off the ground and makes any contact with the player is an automatic red. The fact that he's given a nudge in the build up, that he cleanly gets the ball, hits the foot not ankle in the follow through, studs aren't up - those aren't factors anymore.

The idea of a red card didn’t even enter my head in real time. I was shocked to see him even give the free kick, which he took some time to give.

I guarantee if that was the other way, a red card is not issued.

We've all seen worse "fouls" than that escape with just a talking to by the ref, sometimes not even that!
IMO there is an element of home team and crowd pressure on the ref.
However, I'm proud of the remaining players keeping the ball out until the 53rd minute and then if Keeley had been able to hold the ball, they would not have scored at that time.
But, onwards to Saturday, which will be another toughie. But I think RW will be able to raise the players for the game.
COYOs

Oh, the players are going to be well up for Saturday.

Us fans just have to match that.

EliotNes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:40 am We've all seen worse "fouls" than that escape with just a talking to by the ref, sometimes not even that!
IMO there is an element of home team and crowd pressure on the ref.
However, I'm proud of the remaining players keeping the ball out until the 53rd minute and then if Keeley had been able to hold the ball, they would not have scored at that time.
But, onwards to Saturday, which will be another toughie. But I think RW will be able to raise the players for the game.
COYOs

Agreed. Only the other week we saw Pratley chopped at the knee by a Stockport player right under the nose of the referee and didn’t even get a free kick.

As others have said, the officiating does seem very poor and inconsistent.