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With the US becoming fascists and cozying up to the dictaters, I'm a little confused as to who and what I should be fighting for, and who's going to be fighting whom? Is it just going to be a royal rumble?

we will 100% go towards the Americans, whether it is moral that is another question. we are far too reliant in america, and the same goes for europe in general

USA would be my choice, at least their population currently have the choice to speak out and vote in a new leader without falling out of a window.

No one’s All wars are bankers wars.

Have we moved on as a species if we still believe violence is the way to solve issues?? It shows how gullible we are to even contemplate allowing our children to go to a fictional state from another fictional state over some belief from a so called authority, when you step back and look at it in the cold light of day, obscene doesn’t begin to describe it.

Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 7:02 am No one’s All wars are bankers wars.

Have we moved on as a species if we still believe violence is the way to solve issues?? It shows how gullible we are to even contemplate allowing our children to go to a fictional state from another fictional state over some belief from a so called authority, when you step back and look at it in the cold light of day, obscene doesn’t begin to describe it.

Yup, but the vast majority of the world don't get this, so I feel the right minded are going to get dragged in whether they like it or not

Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 7:02 am No one’s All wars are bankers wars.

Have we moved on as a species if we still believe violence is the way to solve issues?? It shows how gullible we are to even contemplate allowing our children to go to a fictional state from another fictional state over some belief from a so called authority, when you step back and look at it in the cold light of day, obscene doesn’t begin to describe it.

No other way, mate.

Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 7:02 am No one’s All wars are bankers wars.

Have we moved on as a species if we still believe violence is the way to solve issues?? It shows how gullible we are to even contemplate allowing our children to go to a fictional state from another fictional state over some belief from a so called authority, when you step back and look at it in the cold light of day, obscene doesn’t begin to describe it.

That only works if everyone thinks as you and I do. Putin, as just one example, does not think as we do. Being on the European border means we cannot be pacifists or broker a peace that cedes territory or financial concessions - because bullies only come back for more. Its what Trump's solution ignores and Europe has failed to grasp the importance of defence spending for the past decade or more.

Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 7:02 am No one’s All wars are bankers wars.

Have we moved on as a species if we still believe violence is the way to solve issues?? It shows how gullible we are to even contemplate allowing our children to go to a fictional state from another fictional state over some belief from a so called authority, when you step back and look at it in the cold light of day, obscene doesn’t begin to describe it.

You raise a troubling truth. Despite our progress, we remain caught in cycles of violence, often manipulated by those who profit from conflict. Wars, disguised as righteous causes, lead us to fight battles we barely understand. It’s a profound failure to embrace peace over aggression. This reflects our ongoing struggle with the fallen nature of humanity, where our instincts for power often overshadow the call to reconciliation and understanding. I hope that one day heed this higher call to peace.