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Has anyone else noticed an increase in this trend? Especially the away team. A team loses and when they go over to the away end they are met with a chorus of boos and other abuse from their own fans. I’ve witnessed this three times already this season:

1. Rotherham
2. Blackpool
3. Our own fans are the Wycombe game

Booing your own players/manager used to be something that happened in extreme circumstances. Months of bad results, something dodgy going on up stairs or a specific players hands in a transfer request/makes silly comments about the club in the media.

Yesterday was particularly odd. It’s not even December and Blackpool aren’t even in the relegation zone and they were getting some proper abuse from some.

What’s this all about? Is it an entitlement thing?

I think it’s a reflection of our league position, nothing more.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:19 am What’s this all about? Is it an entitlement thing?

Yes. People are just increasingly awful. See also idiots demanding refunds just because they've seen their side pumped at an away game.

I have booed in the past. Very rarely but it has only been done when no endeavour is shown.

I can quite happily accept if a player is lacking talent and would never publicly criticise that. But I cannot abide a player who does not try.

If I’ve paid hard earned cash (and possibly travelled at expensive too) it is the bare minimum fans should expect. I demand pride shown to put on that shirt. If that is not demonstrated, and if so blatantly, then I’m going to let the player(s) know about it.

For clarity, I don't really have any problem with booing. I love a boo at times. But as with everything else - manager sackings etc - no-one has any patience any more and loses the plot after one or two bad games. Just tiring.

Anybody experience guilt after booing…ie when the mood dies down?

LPE wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:30 am I have booed in the past. Very rarely but it has only been done when no endeavour is shown.

I can quite happily accept if a player is lacking talent and would never publicly criticise that. But I cannot abide a player who does not try.

If I’ve paid hard earned cash (and possibly travelled at expensive too) it is the bare minimum fans should expect. I demand pride shown to put on that shirt. If that is not demonstrated, and if so blatantly, then I’m going to let the player(s) know about it.

Yup agree, there's games you lose and come out at the end with the "just wasn't our day" or "the other side were a class above" which is fair enough but when the team goes down without a whimper that's when it's unacceptable

Could be a number of things.

I’d imagine the cost of living doesn’t help. Club’s putting up ticket prices and travel being expensive and sh*t. People spend £200 to get to an away game, see their team put in a half arsed performance and have a 3 hour journey home to look forward to. Realise they don’t have to go but still.

Add to that life is hard atm and people use football as a way to pour out the frustration from the week gone by.

Plus people seemed more entitled these days. Look at this board. No ones happy, whatever division you are in unless you are top 7 and winning games

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:29 am

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:19 am What’s this all about? Is it an entitlement thing?

Yes. People are just increasingly awful. See also idiots demanding refunds just because they've seen their side pumped at an away game.

Some people don't get that when you buy a match ticket, it's a gamble that you take on your team winning or losing and a chance of being on the end of a thumping!

Under normal circumstances, would never boo my own players. Players can have off-days, but I don't believe that they just aren't trying. However, if I was a Motherwell fan, I would have booed Andy Halliday last weekend. He scored the opener for Well in the cup semi-final against his former club The Rangers. Instead of celebrating with his teammates and supporters, he ran to the opposition fans and made a gesture of apology. What a tosser.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:13 pm Plus people seemed more entitled these days. Look at this board. No ones happy, whatever division you are in unless you are top 7 and winning games

About that point, Orient by all accounts have been pretty terrible for much of the time I've followed them (90's onwards) and seen plenty of teams surge past us whilst the club got talked down by Hearn's "little Leyton Orient" BS that even Richie has called out.

After the existential threat of 2016/17 we've finally seen some winning mentality through the late, great JE and now RW too. Why shouldn't Orient keep that bounce going and show ambition to go further like others have managed?

That imo seems to be the split between those who liked the old days where it was all, to quote a recent post on here "a bit silly" vs perhaps what some now call the "entitled" who want to see more on-pitch success first and foremost.

Never.

I do recall a good rendition of “We’re ….ing bored!” during The Dark Days

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:19 am Has anyone else noticed an increase in this trend? Especially the away team. A team loses and when they go over to the away end they are met with a chorus of boos and other abuse from their own fans. I’ve witnessed this three times already this season:

1. Rotherham
2. Blackpool
3. Our own fans are the Wycombe game

Booing your own players/manager used to be something that happened in extreme circumstances. Months of bad results, something dodgy going on up stairs or a specific players hands in a transfer request/makes silly comments about the club in the media.

Yesterday was particularly odd. It’s not even December and Blackpool aren’t even in the relegation zone and they were getting some proper abuse from some.

What’s this all about? Is it an entitlement thing?

As a fan you pay your well earned money and have a right to clap or boo your team depending on how they performed, end of.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:02 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:13 pm Plus people seemed more entitled these days. Look at this board. No ones happy, whatever division you are in unless you are top 7 and winning games

About that point, Orient by all accounts have been pretty terrible for much of the time I've followed them (90's onwards) and seen plenty of teams surge past us whilst the club got talked down by Hearn's "little Leyton Orient" BS that even Richie has called out.

After the existential threat of 2016/17 we've finally seen some winning mentality through the late, great JE and now RW too. Why shouldn't Orient keep that bounce going and show ambition to go further like others have managed?

That imo seems to be the split between those who liked the old days where it was all, to quote a recent post on here "a bit silly" vs perhaps what some now call the "entitled" who want to see more on-pitch success first and foremost.

The reality is, the moans were probably the same in the 90s, 80s, 70s but people don’t remember that sort of thing.

I agree to a point. I agree with the sh*tty little Leyton Orient mentality but that optimism has to be balanced with reality. You can enjoy the bounce and still not expect it continue until we reach the premier league.

I’ll be gutted if we drop out of league one, because after the last ten years I’m more than happy to be back in league one. I’ll never be truely satisfied until we reach the championship though - I’m desperate to see us play there. But I also realise things take time and sometimes you have to step back to move forward.

I get it’s frustrating but we’ve played better football over the last 2 years than probably ever in our supporting lives.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:04 am I think it’s a reflection of our league position, nothing more.

Blackpool supporters have nothing to worry about . I don't know where they will finish this season but they should be comfortable.

That’s not the point. The point is that opposing fans are more likely to boo when they lose to Orient when Orient are near the bottom of the division, than to boo when losing to Orient when Orient are in a promotion chase

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:49 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:04 am I think it’s a reflection of our league position, nothing more.

Blackpool supporters have nothing to worry about . I don't know where they will finish this season but they should be comfortable.

I hadn’t made myself clear enough for everyone to understand - as has been since pointed out, I’m explaining why away fans are booing their team after losing to us this season.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:19 am Has anyone else noticed an increase in this trend? Especially the away team. A team loses and when they go over to the away end they are met with a chorus of boos and other abuse from their own fans. I’ve witnessed this three times already this season:

1. Rotherham
2. Blackpool
3. Our own fans are the Wycombe game

Booing your own players/manager used to be something that happened in extreme circumstances. Months of bad results, something dodgy going on up stairs or a specific players hands in a transfer request/makes silly comments about the club in the media.

Yesterday was particularly odd. It’s not even December and Blackpool aren’t even in the relegation zone and they were getting some proper abuse from some.

What’s this all about? Is it an entitlement thing?

Massive (and increasing) sense of entitlement in society. People buy take-aways 5 times a week then whine they've got no money when they're too bone-idle to cook.

Ameobic level of intellect where people can't process that (unless it's a draw) their team has a 1 in 2 chance of losing the football match.

As a species we have peaked, and are regressing yearly. Look around you. Thousands upon thousands who can barely dress themselves properly or with any panache whatsoever (you don't need money to do this, we have charity shops), and where being an "acheiver" is having a sh*t BMW and snorting lines of heavily cut charlie at the weekend.
It's a societal problem that has flowed into football.

As RTW said, there was of course booing and dis-satisfaction in bygone eras... What there Wasn't was (allegedly) grown men throwing a hissy fit and mewling like infants every time their favourite football team loses. Personal abuse of players, revolting racism- the list goes on.

It's widely known that domestic violence increases during the football season, as morons hit their families after "their" team loses. That is a disgrace and something to be deeply ashamed of.

It's a game of football FFS.

“Massive (and increasing) sense of entitlement in society. People buy take-aways 5 times a week then whine they've got no money when they're too bone-idle to cook.”

Can you give an example of this please?

“ level of intellect where people can't process that (unless it's a draw) their team has a 1 in 2 chance of losing the football match.”

So 1 in 3, then, and even that is reliant on the idea that every match is contested by teams at the same level. Hmmm. Odd point to use as your “im cleverer than them!” take.

“ As a species we have peaked, and are regressing yearly. Look around you. Thousands upon thousands who can barely dress themselves properly or with any panache whatsoever (you don't need money to do this, we have charity shops), and where being an "acheiver" is having a sh*t BMW and snorting lines of heavily cut charlie at the weekend.
It's a societal problem that has flowed into football.”

Man starts off annoyed at clothing, gets very confused by the end.

“ As RTW said, there was of course booing and dis-satisfaction in bygone eras... What there Wasn't was (allegedly) grown men throwing a hissy fit and mewling like infants every time their favourite football team loses. Personal abuse of players, revolting racism- the list goes on.”

I could do with a laugh so I’ll ask - tell me the last year you can think of where you’re confident that this stuff didn’t happen?

“ It's widely known that domestic violence increases during the football season, as morons hit their families after "their" team loses. That is a disgrace and something to be deeply ashamed of.”

And has nothing at all to do with booing

Linking booing players with DV is one of the most ludicrous stretches I've seen on the Board in a while.

CEB, did you boo today?

Think it was the lacking panache comment that triggered CEB.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:19 pm Linking booing players with DV is one of the most ludicrous stretches I've seen on the Board in a while.

CEB, did you boo today?

No, but I did knock my wife spark out when I got in

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:42 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:19 pm Linking booing players with DV is one of the most ludicrous stretches I've seen on the Board in a while.

CEB, did you boo today?

No, but I did knock my wife spark out when I got in

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:31 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:19 am Has anyone else noticed an increase in this trend? Especially the away team. A team loses and when they go over to the away end they are met with a chorus of boos and other abuse from their own fans. I’ve witnessed this three times already this season:

1. Rotherham
2. Blackpool
3. Our own fans are the Wycombe game

Booing your own players/manager used to be something that happened in extreme circumstances. Months of bad results, something dodgy going on up stairs or a specific players hands in a transfer request/makes silly comments about the club in the media.

Yesterday was particularly odd. It’s not even December and Blackpool aren’t even in the relegation zone and they were getting some proper abuse from some.

What’s this all about? Is it an entitlement thing?

Massive (and increasing) sense of entitlement in society. People buy take-aways 5 times a week then whine they've got no money when they're too bone-idle to cook.

Ameobic level of intellect where people can't process that (unless it's a draw) their team has a 1 in 2 chance of losing the football match.

As a species we have peaked, and are regressing yearly. Look around you. Thousands upon thousands who can barely dress themselves properly or with any panache whatsoever (you don't need money to do this, we have charity shops), and where being an "acheiver" is having a sh*t BMW and snorting lines of heavily cut charlie at the weekend.
It's a societal problem that has flowed into football.

As RTW said, there was of course booing and dis-satisfaction in bygone eras... What there Wasn't was (allegedly) grown men throwing a hissy fit and mewling like infants every time their favourite football team loses. Personal abuse of players, revolting racism- the list goes on.

It's widely known that domestic violence increases during the football season, as morons hit their families after "their" team loses. That is a disgrace and something to be deeply ashamed of.

It's a game of football FFS.

I like that you mention people having a hissy fit in the midst of your own hissy fit. Very meta.

Booing isn't supporting your team and is unlikely to make then play better, but I suppose if you'e paid good money for a ticket and spent a whole day travelling to be entertained and you've not been entertained then you have a right to boo.