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Rookie manager Alex Revell, similar budget or smaller you would think?

Lifelongfan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:06 pm Rookie manager Alex Revell, similar budget or smaller you would think?

They have more than two strikers and recruited better in the transfer market . We now seem to have a team of bottle jobs .According to Richie nobody today with the heart and desire to make the shirt their own aport from Galbraith and Keeley . Incidentally I'm not including Jack Currie in this criticism because I think he's a good player who is streets ahead of Sweeney .

They've got a better manager & coaches. Same is true for other smaller/similar sized clubs like Exeter, Wycombe, Mansfield, Lincoln....

They don't have Ling doing the recruitment

It struck me summer last year, after we’d been promoted as top two, they were under Steve Evans then of course, but how quick they were out the blocks in the summer transfer dealings. The signed 3-4 Posh players with decent L1 experience, Evans knew from his Posh days, Thompson being one of them who brought a lot of experience, and pulled in Piergianni from Oldham at the back, again lots of experience, a good player, quite a threat from corners too. And they were ahead of us all season, and rightly so, for me they showed what we should have done.

Again this season, under Alex Revell now, they have done well. It should be said they have actually scored one less goal than us so far, but they’ve only let in seven (to our fifteen), and only Exeter (six conceded from one less game) can better that.

We need to look and learn and change.

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:49 am We need to look and learn and change.

Richie said that in January then look at our summer window

W 1-0 Shrewsbury H
L 2-1 Hudds A
D 0-0 Burton A
L 0-1 Lincoln H
Reid returns from Injury
W 3-0 Barnsley H
L 2-0 Exeter A
D 0-0 Wigan A
W 1-0 Charlton H
W 1-0 Wrexham H
L 2-0 Peterbro A
W 1-0 Mansfield A
Are they really doing that well?
If Kelman scores first 5 minutes v Wrexham & Agyei scores either of his chances yesterday we'd be 3 points behind them. They aren't that far in front of us

Stevenage are doing better than us basically, because they have better players than us. It's a simple as that.

Our summer window acquisitions, were in the main, truly dreadful. Only Claire, was a decent signing, and Curry was a decent loan signing. The rest of the permanent signings, and the loan signings, were simply atrocious.

Our signing record in all windows in the last few years certainly hasn't been very good at best .

On top of all that, O'Neill and Graham are both Shadows of the player they were last year.

Unless the club break the bank (which I don't think they will), and bring in two or three really decent players, we are nailed on for relegation this season, which means all the good and hard work to get us here will have been for nothing

Qin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:20 am Stevenage are doing better than us basically, because they have better players than us. It's a simple as that.

Which of their players are better than ours? The only ones I know are Pierluigi wotsit, Jamie Reid and Dan Kemp.

I’d obviously take Reid all day long but the defender is no better than Beckles and we all know about kemp already.

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 12:21 pm W 1-0 Shrewsbury H
L 2-1 Hudds A
D 0-0 Burton A
L 0-1 Lincoln H
Reid returns from Injury
W 3-0 Barnsley H
L 2-0 Exeter A
D 0-0 Wigan A
W 1-0 Charlton H
W 1-0 Wrexham H
L 2-0 Peterbro A
W 1-0 Mansfield A
Are they really doing that well?
If Kelman scores first 5 minutes v Wrexham & Agyei scores either of his chances yesterday we'd be 3 points behind them. They aren't that far in front of us

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

But Kemp was one of ours that Ling signed and apparently that means he's rubbish?

Kemp wasn’t any good for us.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:43 am

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 12:21 pm W 1-0 Shrewsbury H
L 2-1 Hudds A
D 0-0 Burton A
L 0-1 Lincoln H
Reid returns from Injury
W 3-0 Barnsley H
L 2-0 Exeter A
D 0-0 Wigan A
W 1-0 Charlton H
W 1-0 Wrexham H
L 2-0 Peterbro A
W 1-0 Mansfield A
Are they really doing that well?
If Kelman scores first 5 minutes v Wrexham & Agyei scores either of his chances yesterday we'd be 3 points behind them. They aren't that far in front of us

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

Disagree.

If you’re only playing 1 up top, then you can only have 2 strikers contesting that spot with either a youth or a forward thinking midfielder also able to step in if needed - such as DJ or Donley etc.

The problem is in order to get our best players on the pitch at the same time, Agyei and Kelman are both being played.

Qin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:20 am Stevenage are doing better than us basically, because they have better players than us. It's a simple as that.

Our summer window acquisitions, were in the main, truly dreadful. Only Claire, was a decent signing, and Curry was a decent loan signing. The rest of the permanent signings, and the loan signings, were simply atrocious.

Our signing record in all windows in the last few years certainly hasn't been very good at best .

On top of all that, O'Neill and Graham are both Shadows of the player they were last year.

Unless the club break the bank (which I don't think they will), and bring in two or three really decent players, we are nailed on for relegation this season, which means all the good and hard work to get us here will have been for nothing

I completely agree with you . If the club doesn't bring in those players then I wonder how much relegation would cost the club .

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:50 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:43 am

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 12:21 pm W 1-0 Shrewsbury H
L 2-1 Hudds A
D 0-0 Burton A
L 0-1 Lincoln H
Reid returns from Injury
W 3-0 Barnsley H
L 2-0 Exeter A
D 0-0 Wigan A
W 1-0 Charlton H
W 1-0 Wrexham H
L 2-0 Peterbro A
W 1-0 Mansfield A
Are they really doing that well?
If Kelman scores first 5 minutes v Wrexham & Agyei scores either of his chances yesterday we'd be 3 points behind them. They aren't that far in front of us

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

Disagree.

If you’re only playing 1 up top, then you can only have 2 strikers contesting that spot with either a youth or a forward thinking midfielder also able to step in if needed - such as DJ or Donley etc.

The problem is in order to get our best players on the pitch at the same time, Agyei and Kelman are both being played.

Well at the moment that's clearly not working .

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:48 am Kemp wasn’t any good for us.

I agree . Too lightweight and easily knocked off the ball .

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:50 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:43 am

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 12:21 pm W 1-0 Shrewsbury H
L 2-1 Hudds A
D 0-0 Burton A
L 0-1 Lincoln H
Reid returns from Injury
W 3-0 Barnsley H
L 2-0 Exeter A
D 0-0 Wigan A
W 1-0 Charlton H
W 1-0 Wrexham H
L 2-0 Peterbro A
W 1-0 Mansfield A
Are they really doing that well?
If Kelman scores first 5 minutes v Wrexham & Agyei scores either of his chances yesterday we'd be 3 points behind them. They aren't that far in front of us

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

Disagree.

If you’re only playing 1 up top, then you can only have 2 strikers contesting that spot with either a youth or a forward thinking midfielder also able to step in if needed - such as DJ or Donley etc.

The problem is in order to get our best players on the pitch at the same time, Agyei and Kelman are both being played.

And if one gets injured like last season, then what? Or you need to change formation then what? Or your strikers are not performing then what? Brainless planning.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:56 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:50 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:43 am

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

Disagree.

If you’re only playing 1 up top, then you can only have 2 strikers contesting that spot with either a youth or a forward thinking midfielder also able to step in if needed - such as DJ or Donley etc.

The problem is in order to get our best players on the pitch at the same time, Agyei and Kelman are both being played.

And if one gets injured like last season, then what? Or you need to change formation then what? Or your strikers are not performing then what? Brainless planning.

That's a very good comment and bang on the nail .

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:56 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:50 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:43 am

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

Disagree.

If you’re only playing 1 up top, then you can only have 2 strikers contesting that spot with either a youth or a forward thinking midfielder also able to step in if needed - such as DJ or Donley etc.

The problem is in order to get our best players on the pitch at the same time, Agyei and Kelman are both being played.

And if one gets injured like last season, then what? Or you need to change formation then what? Or your strikers are not performing then what? Brainless planning.

We don’t have the budget to have 3 senior players contesting 1 spot.

Would you argue we should have 3 senior, L1 standard keepers in our squad? Same thing. (Just 1 would be nice is a valid response to this question).

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:52 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:50 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:43 am

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

Disagree.

If you’re only playing 1 up top, then you can only have 2 strikers contesting that spot with either a youth or a forward thinking midfielder also able to step in if needed - such as DJ or Donley etc.

The problem is in order to get our best players on the pitch at the same time, Agyei and Kelman are both being played.

Well at the moment that's clearly not working .

Agreed.

I’d get back to last seasons 4-3-3, put Agyei up top with Kelman on the bench, ONeill back out wide, properly wide, and Graham or Donely wide right. Galbraith as 10, Ball as 8, Brown as 4.

I agree because something has got to change .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:43 am

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 12:21 pm W 1-0 Shrewsbury H
L 2-1 Hudds A
D 0-0 Burton A
L 0-1 Lincoln H
Reid returns from Injury
W 3-0 Barnsley H
L 2-0 Exeter A
D 0-0 Wigan A
W 1-0 Charlton H
W 1-0 Wrexham H
L 2-0 Peterbro A
W 1-0 Mansfield A
Are they really doing that well?
If Kelman scores first 5 minutes v Wrexham & Agyei scores either of his chances yesterday we'd be 3 points behind them. They aren't that far in front of us

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

Maybe they are only good enough when they score & we win?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:51 am

Qin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:20 am Stevenage are doing better than us basically, because they have better players than us. It's a simple as that.

Our summer window acquisitions, were in the main, truly dreadful. Only Claire, was a decent signing, and Curry was a decent loan signing. The rest of the permanent signings, and the loan signings, were simply atrocious.

Our signing record in all windows in the last few years certainly hasn't been very good at best .

On top of all that, O'Neill and Graham are both Shadows of the player they were last year.

Unless the club break the bank (which I don't think they will), and bring in two or three really decent players, we are nailed on for relegation this season, which means all the good and hard work to get us here will have been for nothing

I completely agree with you . If the club doesn't bring in those players then I wonder how much relegation would cost the club .

Relegation saves the club money, wages are slashed, therefore the budget goes further.

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:39 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:43 am

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 12:21 pm W 1-0 Shrewsbury H
L 2-1 Hudds A
D 0-0 Burton A
L 0-1 Lincoln H
Reid returns from Injury
W 3-0 Barnsley H
L 2-0 Exeter A
D 0-0 Wigan A
W 1-0 Charlton H
W 1-0 Wrexham H
L 2-0 Peterbro A
W 1-0 Mansfield A
Are they really doing that well?
If Kelman scores first 5 minutes v Wrexham & Agyei scores either of his chances yesterday we'd be 3 points behind them. They aren't that far in front of us

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

Maybe they are only good enough when they score & we win?

Well then they need to prove they are good enough by scoring more often .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:43 am

Bandy Legs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:39 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:43 am

The fact is Kelman and Agyei didn't score so we are where we are . Maybe that's because they are not good enough but to start the season with only two strikers was bonkers .

Maybe they are only good enough when they score & we win?

Well then they need to prove they are good enough by scoring more often .

They haven't done so yet, what makes you think they will in future?