Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:26 am “We had enough chances to win the game” “ we had 4 or 5 good chances “ “ not clinical enough in the final third “ how many times does he say that whilst scratching his head. Is he a bad coach of course he’s not but he’s becoming a little stale imo. We have no central striker of quality and he has to shoulder the blame and look at other options. He’s not giving Dan A a run in one position and sticking with Kelman each game which is a bad mistake. We haven’t got many or if any options up front so play a formation that plays two. Now all the clappers will say “MB want 442” not necessarily but if that what it takes to put the bloody ball in the net then the end justifies the means. Personally as bad as they playing I would have put Kelman on the right and kept Dan A up front simply because we have nobody else that’s capable at this level.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:33 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:26 am “We had enough chances to win the game” “ we had 4 or 5 good chances “ “ not clinical enough in the final third “ how many times does he say that whilst scratching his head. Is he a bad coach of course he’s not but he’s becoming a little stale imo. We have no central striker of quality and he has to shoulder the blame and look at other options. He’s not giving Dan A a run in one position and sticking with Kelman each game which is a bad mistake. We haven’t got many or if any options up front so play a formation that plays two. Now all the clappers will say “MB want 442” not necessarily but if that what it takes to put the bloody ball in the net then the end justifies the means. Personally as bad as they playing I would have put Kelman on the right and kept Dan A up front simply because we have nobody else that’s capable at this level.

If we are missing chances, which we are then I can’t see how that supports your view that the formation is wrong. It means we are missing chances. Two up front doesn’t follow that we will make or score more chances. As R W says we could have got five last night.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:42 am Why does anyone give monkey boy the courtesy of a proper response?

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:48 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:33 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:26 am “We had enough chances to win the game” “ we had 4 or 5 good chances “ “ not clinical enough in the final third “ how many times does he say that whilst scratching his head. Is he a bad coach of course he’s not but he’s becoming a little stale imo. We have no central striker of quality and he has to shoulder the blame and look at other options. He’s not giving Dan A a run in one position and sticking with Kelman each game which is a bad mistake. We haven’t got many or if any options up front so play a formation that plays two. Now all the clappers will say “MB want 442” not necessarily but if that what it takes to put the bloody ball in the net then the end justifies the means. Personally as bad as they playing I would have put Kelman on the right and kept Dan A up front simply because we have nobody else that’s capable at this level.

If we are missing chances, which we are then I can’t see how that supports your view that the formation is wrong. It means we are missing chances. Two up front doesn’t follow that we will make or score more chances. As R W says we could have got five last night.

But we didn’t and we didn’t against Wrexham,Bolton,Birmingham and so on, we can’t and won’t put the ball in the net whilst we have Kelman as a lone striker he’s better wide if he has to play. We are simply not strong in that position and playing two up front especially at home enhances the possibility of at least getting more players in and around the penalty box. If we are making chances as pointed out then there has to be more options in and around the box. Why bring on Graham to cross the ball when there’s nobody in there.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:09 pm Look Doc, it seems I’m anti Orient I’m not otherwise I wouldn’t have a ST, that goal that Kelman got against Bolton he was playing as a right sided forward. Watch May,Hoskins Ballard there all of similar stature,they run off the shoulder,come to the ball,give and go, Kelman waits for the CB and watches where they are and backs in, never runs to or off the ball at angles. I want like every other supporter wants,to see us win comfortably against teams like Exeter and not throw away golden chances for bad decisions

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:16 pm

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:09 pm Look Doc, it seems I’m anti Orient I’m not otherwise I wouldn’t have a ST, that goal that Kelman got against Bolton he was playing as a right sided forward. Watch May,Hoskins Ballard there all of similar stature,they run off the shoulder,come to the ball,give and go, Kelman waits for the CB and watches where they are and backs in, never runs to or off the ball at angles. I want like every other supporter wants,to see us win comfortably against teams like Exeter and not throw away golden chances for bad decisions

I don’t think you’re anti Orient at all. I agree Kelman backs in but I think that is the type of ball he gets. Very rarely gets a ball down the channels.

I think we’re all frustrated. Last night wasn’t good viewing and we should be turning over teams like Exeter.

I just don’t think it’s as bad as some do. We need to improve. We have a half decent squad. Agreed we are light up front.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:33 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:26 am “We had enough chances to win the game” “ we had 4 or 5 good chances “ “ not clinical enough in the final third “ how many times does he say that whilst scratching his head. Is he a bad coach of course he’s not but he’s becoming a little stale imo. We have no central striker of quality and he has to shoulder the blame and look at other options. He’s not giving Dan A a run in one position and sticking with Kelman each game which is a bad mistake. We haven’t got many or if any options up front so play a formation that plays two. Now all the clappers will say “MB want 442” not necessarily but if that what it takes to put the bloody ball in the net then the end justifies the means. Personally as bad as they playing I would have put Kelman on the right and kept Dan A up front simply because we have nobody else that’s capable at this level.

If we are missing chances, which we are then I can’t see how that supports your view that the formation is wrong. It means we are missing chances. Two up front doesn’t follow that we will make or score more chances. As R W says we could have got five last night.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:53 pm We can't go the season with just two strikers, he must know this.
Kelman and Agyei are both good quality, i think we'd score more if we attacked quicker, our build up is too slow, we spend too long passing it sideways outside the box looking for openings, just get it in the box.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:12 pm

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:33 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:26 am “We had enough chances to win the game” “ we had 4 or 5 good chances “ “ not clinical enough in the final third “ how many times does he say that whilst scratching his head. Is he a bad coach of course he’s not but he’s becoming a little stale imo. We have no central striker of quality and he has to shoulder the blame and look at other options. He’s not giving Dan A a run in one position and sticking with Kelman each game which is a bad mistake. We haven’t got many or if any options up front so play a formation that plays two. Now all the clappers will say “MB want 442” not necessarily but if that what it takes to put the bloody ball in the net then the end justifies the means. Personally as bad as they playing I would have put Kelman on the right and kept Dan A up front simply because we have nobody else that’s capable at this level.

If we are missing chances, which we are then I can’t see how that supports your view that the formation is wrong. It means we are missing chances. Two up front doesn’t follow that we will make or score more chances. As R W says we could have got five last night.

Sorry Doc but I don't think our continuing weakness as a goalscoring side is simply down to us missing chances. It's also the type of chances created that we are often lacking.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:51 am

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:12 pm

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:33 am

If we are missing chances, which we are then I can’t see how that supports your view that the formation is wrong. It means we are missing chances. Two up front doesn’t follow that we will make or score more chances. As R W says we could have got five last night.

Sorry Doc but I don't think our continuing weakness as a goalscoring side is simply down to us missing chances. It's also the type of chances created that we are often lacking.

We put four past Stockport only the other day. Were they the wrong type of chances?

We just need to be a little more clinical. We could have battered Exeter the other night and I think we are all in agreement we didn’t play well. Personally I don’t think we over analyse it. It was an off night.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:29 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:51 am

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:12 pm
Sorry Doc but I don't think our continuing weakness as a goalscoring side is simply down to us missing chances. It's also the type of chances created that we are often lacking.

We put four past Stockport only the other day. Were they the wrong type of chances?

We just need to be a little more clinical. We could have battered Exeter the other night and I think we are all in agreement we didn’t play well. Personally I don’t think we over analyse it. It was an off night.

Hi Doc, I was waiting for someone to say this. Odd, out of the blue scores always crop up in football for one thing and another.
I don't think it was an off night on Tuesday. As someone has already indicated there is too much chopping and changing with the players and formation. Too much emphasis on midfield and not enough in the last third.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:42 am

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:29 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:51 am

We put four past Stockport only the other day. Were they the wrong type of chances?

We just need to be a little more clinical. We could have battered Exeter the other night and I think we are all in agreement we didn’t play well. Personally I don’t think we over analyse it. It was an off night.

Hi Doc, I was waiting for someone to say this. Odd, out of the blue scores always crop up in football for one thing and another.
I don't think it was an off night on Tuesday. As someone has already indicated there is too much chopping and changing with the players and formation. Too much emphasis on midfield and not enough in the last third.

Which of the chops and changes do you think shouldn’t have happened?

Don’t make any changes to personnel or formation and Richie would be accused of being too rigid/ having no plan B.

Some people just love to moan.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:10 am And the happy clappies love to pretend that everything is ok.

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:29 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:42 am

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:29 am
Hi Doc, I was waiting for someone to say this. Odd, out of the blue scores always crop up in football for one thing and another.
I don't think it was an off night on Tuesday. As someone has already indicated there is too much chopping and changing with the players and formation. Too much emphasis on midfield and not enough in the last third.

Which of the chops and changes do you think shouldn’t have happened?

Don’t make any changes to personnel or formation and Richie would be accused of being too rigid/ having no plan B.

Some people just love to moan.

Cooper for warrington

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:32 am

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:10 am And the happy clappies love to pretend that everything is ok.

Am I one of the happy clappies?

Love that

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:32 am

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:10 am And the happy clappies love to pretend that everything is ok.

Am I one of the happy clappies?

Love that

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:35 am

Adz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:29 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:42 am

Which of the chops and changes do you think shouldn’t have happened?

Don’t make any changes to personnel or formation and Richie would be accused of being too rigid/ having no plan B.

Some people just love to moan.

Cooper for warrington

We had totally lost our way after an ok start to the first half. Something had to change at half time.

I thought Warrington was awful and had already said to others that he had to come off. I know he needs games to get up to speed but he was so far off it.