Independent Leyton Orient Forum

says the former head of UK counter terrorism.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... lice-chief

Time to call it out for what it is, nothing to do with "I love my country"-
Maybe those convicted could be sent to serve their sentences in Rwanda?

Couldn't agree more.
Failing that what's the chances of putting them against a wall & having them shot for Treason?

If you get 5 years inside for causing a traffic jam, these goons looting Greggs, assaulting police officers and attempting to murder immigrants in hotels should be locked away for a very, very long time.

Yup - that’s been mooted before but seems logical to many I would have thought. Handing out 10 year sentences for rioting might put some yobs off.

Also, give Tommy, and his colleagues, a 20 year sentence for stirring up all this hatred. Probably wouldn’t see the piece of merde back in the UK again.

Bibby Stockholm could have a use.

Orient Punxx wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:35 am Bibby Stockholm could have a use.

Good one - and do we still have any submarines left in the Navy?

As this is partly related to the heat wave, why not bring in temporary legislation to ban total head coverings like balaclavas etc. There is no bloody excuse. If they want to look like hoodlums. Treat them like hoodlums. Further to this point, in North Grays were I live, some of these lovelies cruise around on mopeds or electric bikes, sussing out Ranger Rovers, BMW's etc to check out security. This really gets up peoples noses as loadsa cars are nicked nearly every night. As D Trump would say " lock 'em up "!

If the climate protestors are getting prison time, these racist fannies need the same

If these far right morons were 'real ' terrorists, the police would shoot them dead. We've all seen it on the news, over the years

So why not shoot these Nazis dead too.

I guarantee the rioting would stop immediately

Because they're not stabbing, shooting or blowing people up?

Qin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:14 pm If these far right morons were 'real ' terrorists, the police would shoot them dead. We've all seen it on the news, over the years

So why not shoot these Nazis dead too.

I guarantee the rioting would stop immediately

E10EU wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:33 pm says the former head of UK counter terrorism.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... lice-chief

Time to call it out for what it is, nothing to do with "I love my country"-
Maybe those convicted could be sent to serve their sentences in Rwanda?

I agree . In fact I would go one step further. I would categorise all this type of rioting has terrorism no matter who is doing it . It’s time to take away this two tier excuse. There is no place for this type of violence in our society

I don't see the benefit of calling them terrorists. From their point of view that glamorises them. Surely they can just be jailed for long periods for rioting.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 1:34 pm Because they're not stabbing, shooting or blowing people up?

I don't think we should be shooting anyone, but setting fire to a building with a load of people in is getting pretty close.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:01 pm

E10EU wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:33 pm says the former head of UK counter terrorism.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... lice-chief

Time to call it out for what it is, nothing to do with "I love my country"-
Maybe those convicted could be sent to serve their sentences in Rwanda?

I agree . In fact I would go one step further. I would categorise all this type of rioting has terrorism no matter who is doing it . It’s time to take away this two tier excuse. There is no place for this type of violence in our society

What’s this Two Tier bollox about then? Can you give examples?

Is it to do with the nazis crying in court when they were sentenced to jail earlier in the week? I'm sure there were more than two.

During riots caused by racist conspiracies, closet racists haven't been shy to push the idea that non white people get an easier ride from police, despite the obvious absurdity of the argument.

When the police start overlooking pro Palestine or BLM marches start trying to burn down hotels or libraries, maybe it'll stack up as an argument.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:36 pm Is it to do with the nazis crying in court when they were sentenced to jail earlier in the week? I'm sure there were more than two.

Think you might be correct. I’ve seen some old bollox saying that the BLM protesters weren’t punished harshly enough given the cry for jail time for the current batch of patriots/fascists.

Not sure why really, as I don’t recall too many riots, overt racism, arson, looting and attempted murder during the BLM protests. Maybe it’s just the far right spreading misinformation again - perish the thought.

Any mass gatherings of any sort that turn to violence should be treated as an assault on the nation and be punished severely. I don't care about their political or religious persuasion or their ethnicity. Anyone that threatens another as part of a mass demonstration should be regarded the same.

Despite an antipathy towards the police, I think there should be an even greater offence when violence is directed at front line public service officials. How are we to get better police staff when we let organised rabbles act provocatively or seek to inflict harm on them?

I find the idea that things “should be treated as…” other things a bit bemusing.

Why not simply argue about what should be an appropriate punishment for specific actions, and accurately describe those actions?

Politically motivated racist violence doesn’t need to be called “terrorism” to be abhorrent and worthy of severe punishment

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:31 pm I find the idea that things “should be treated as…” other things a bit bemusing.

Why not simply argue about what should be an appropriate punishment for specific actions, and accurately describe those actions?

Politically motivated racist violence doesn’t need to be called “terrorism” to be abhorrent and worthy of severe punishment

I don’t disagree. Maybe the current penalty for rioting and looting isn’t severe enough until new laws are passed and that’s why these latest incidents are being considered as terrorism. As long as they bang up these ass-wipes for a long time I don’t really care.

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:36 pm

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:31 pm I find the idea that things “should be treated as…” other things a bit bemusing.

Why not simply argue about what should be an appropriate punishment for specific actions, and accurately describe those actions?

Politically motivated racist violence doesn’t need to be called “terrorism” to be abhorrent and worthy of severe punishment

I don’t disagree. Maybe the current penalty for rioting and looting isn’t severe enough until new laws are passed and that’s why these latest incidents are being considered as terrorism. As long as they bang up these ass-wipes for a long time I don’t really care.

The sentencing for rioting is pretty severe but so far the CPS has been prosecuting for violent disorder which has a less severe tariff.

The highest sentence I've seen so far is 3 years and that was given to a criminal with 13 other convictions for violence.

Biting satire

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:35 pm Biting satire

Woof Woof