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Irrespective of how people voted and what happens now, I believe that untold damage has been caused by the division this subject has riven through society

If we leave the EU without a deal I think there could be civil unrest, with more hatred and suspicion on either side

Leavers, already subject to untold abuse for intellectual stupidity, will be lambasted for having the referendum vote implemented regardless of the effects
Remainers, equally slagged off for being 'bad losers' and moaners etc, will be accused of anti-patriotism and considered fifth-columners for their continuing campaign to reverse our decision.

Eventually if we go back to the EU, and they make us pay for all the chaos - the arguments will inflame still further

If Parliament rescind's Article 50 or have another vote that maybe says REMAIN by a small margin - I can't see how the people will re-unite and move on.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can overcome this dreadful impasse and get back to being a (generally) open-minded and liberal country with respect for each other's beliefs.

I don't personally think the EU will "make us pay for all the chaos" - they'd be too relieved that the damage has been limited to give those who wish to destroy the EU any more ammunition.

That said, we've only got a relatively short period before we'll be killing each other over food, drinking water and high ground anyway, so it's probably not worth worrying about.

Time is the only solution. The genie's well out of the bottle on this one and it'll take generations for the divides to heal.

Project Fear is alive and well!

Up here, the Miners Strike 35 years ago is still the cause of bitterness and fights.

So as admin says, it's going to take a long tine

Just cancel Brexit. A few racists will be upset for a little while, but f*** them. There is no sane reason to go through with it. After all the facts that have come out since the vote, if you still think it's a good idea then you need locking up immediately.

As for the divison. A lot of the division was there already and it had nothing to do with the EU, despite people being told otherwise.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:44 pm I don't personally think the EU will "make us pay for all the chaos" - they'd be too relieved that the damage has been limited to give those who wish to destroy the EU any more ammunition.

That said, we've only got a relatively short period before we'll be killing each other over food, drinking water and high ground anyway, so it's probably not worth worrying about.

Don't worry geez, Scotchlandshire will soon be independent and back in the EU as fast as you can say Up Yours Delors.

I say leave England to the English. They will find a way through the fog eventually.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:54 pm Just cancel Brexit. A few racists will be upset for a little while, but f*** them. There is no sane reason to go through with it. After all the facts that have come out since the vote, if you still think it's a good idea then you need locking up immediately.

As for the divison. A lot of the division was there already and it had nothing to do with the EU, despite people being told otherwise.

Democracy?

The trouble with snowflake leavers is this threat of violence unrest if they dont get there way.

If we leave they expect everybody who voted remain to dig us all out of the mess by showing some true British grit & making this country great again.

What they forget is most remainers will be causing as much civil unrest as possible becuase they will throw there toys out of the pram in outrage.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:02 pm The trouble with snowflake leavers is this threat of violence unrest if they dont get there way.

If we leave they expect everybody who voted remain to dig us all out of the mess by showing some true British grit & making this country great again.

What they forget is most remainers will be causing as much civil unrest as possible becuase they will throw there toys out of the pram in outrage.

I won't. I will be using this convenient crisis and conflict to achieve Scottish Independence and a socialist revolution as quickly as possible after that. Then I will be retiring to Spain. Job done.

spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:58 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:54 pm Just cancel Brexit. A few racists will be upset for a little while, but f*** them. There is no sane reason to go through with it. After all the facts that have come out since the vote, if you still think it's a good idea then you need locking up immediately.

As for the divison. A lot of the division was there already and it had nothing to do with the EU, despite people being told otherwise.

Democracy?

I'll humour you, even though you're an attention seeker.

Democracy like over-spending and Cambridge Analytica, yeah?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:04 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:02 pm The trouble with snowflake leavers is this threat of violence unrest if they dont get there way.

If we leave they expect everybody who voted remain to dig us all out of the mess by showing some true British grit & making this country great again.

What they forget is most remainers will be causing as much civil unrest as possible becuase they will throw there toys out of the pram in outrage.

I won't. I will be using this convenient crisis and conflict to achieve Scottish Independence and a socialist revolution as quickly as possible after that. Then I will be retiring to Spain. Job done.

That is exactly what i am talking about Max
Reaminers are far more financially secure ,
so are able to decide what form of civil unrest
Is possible . I know someone at lbwf & if you heard
what they have planned you would be amazed & chuckling your head off.
Except for the planned Saturday chaos

Between 1 -5 pm there will be regular power failures
Not just at lbwf , but up & down the country.

No floodlights in dark winter nights will
therfore mean no football .
Reatliation against the football lads group supposedly

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:55 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:44 pm I don't personally think the EU will "make us pay for all the chaos" - they'd be too relieved that the damage has been limited to give those who wish to destroy the EU any more ammunition.

That said, we've only got a relatively short period before we'll be killing each other over food, drinking water and high ground anyway, so it's probably not worth worrying about.

Don't worry geez, Scotchlandshire will soon be independent and back in the EU as fast as you can say Up Yours Delors.

I say leave England to the English. They will find a way through the fog eventually.

I agree - although I regret that it will come to pass.

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:40 pm Irrespective of how people voted and what happens now, I believe that untold damage has been caused by the division this subject has riven through society

If we leave the EU without a deal I think there could be civil unrest, with more hatred and suspicion on either side

Leavers, already subject to untold abuse for intellectual stupidity, will be lambasted for having the referendum vote implemented regardless of the effects
Remainers, equally slagged off for being 'bad losers' and moaners etc, will be accused of anti-patriotism and considered fifth-columners for their continuing campaign to reverse our decision.

Eventually if we go back to the EU, and they make us pay for all the chaos - the arguments will inflame still further

If Parliament rescind's Article 50 or have another vote that maybe says REMAIN by a small margin - I can't see how the people will re-unite and move on.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can overcome this dreadful impasse and get back to being a (generally) open-minded and liberal country with respect for each other's beliefs.

We just need to respect the result, which clearly many parts of the establishment have not and do not.

If we leave on wto terms Lord Wolfson CEO of Next, has said that there will now be minor disruption because of the preparations of the current cabinet.

I actually think now that our future lies as a global player, not an integral part of the EU. The opportunities are far greater, with sovereignty in our hands and not being eroded by the very and increasingly undemocratic EU.

We will start to see these opportunities and then everything will start to settle.

My views have changed as time has moved on. But democracy must always ensure.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:55 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:44 pm I don't personally think the EU will "make us pay for all the chaos" - they'd be too relieved that the damage has been limited to give those who wish to destroy the EU any more ammunition.

That said, we've only got a relatively short period before we'll be killing each other over food, drinking water and high ground anyway, so it's probably not worth worrying about.

Don't worry geez, Scotchlandshire will soon be independent and back in the EU as fast as you can say Up Yours Delors.

I say leave England to the English. They will find a way through the fog eventually.

And I thought Scotland wanted to be independent.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:04 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:02 pm The trouble with snowflake leavers is this threat of violence unrest if they dont get there way.

If we leave they expect everybody who voted remain to dig us all out of the mess by showing some true British grit & making this country great again.

What they forget is most remainers will be causing as much civil unrest as possible becuase they will throw there toys out of the pram in outrage.

I won't. I will be using this convenient crisis and conflict to achieve Scottish Independence and a socialist revolution as quickly as possible after that. Then I will be retiring to Spain. Job done.

Correction, it's not Scottish independence you want but Scottish separation. If the Scottish people want to break away from the rest of the UK I haven't got a problem with that but you can't be independent and be a member of the EU.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:44 pm I don't personally think the EU will "make us pay for all the chaos" - they'd be too relieved that the damage has been limited to give those who wish to destroy the EU any more ammunition.

That said, we've only got a relatively short period before we'll be killing each other over food, drinking water and high ground anyway, so it's probably not worth worrying about.

" killing each other over food". Project fear on steroids .

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:55 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:55 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:44 pm I don't personally think the EU will "make us pay for all the chaos" - they'd be too relieved that the damage has been limited to give those who wish to destroy the EU any more ammunition.

That said, we've only got a relatively short period before we'll be killing each other over food, drinking water and high ground anyway, so it's probably not worth worrying about.

Don't worry geez, Scotchlandshire will soon be independent and back in the EU as fast as you can say Up Yours Delors.

I say leave England to the English. They will find a way through the fog eventually.

And I thought Scotland wanted to be independent.

The SNP don't they just want Scottish separation from the rest of the UK. If the Scottish people want that , they can have it .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:13 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:44 pm I don't personally think the EU will "make us pay for all the chaos" - they'd be too relieved that the damage has been limited to give those who wish to destroy the EU any more ammunition.

That said, we've only got a relatively short period before we'll be killing each other over food, drinking water and high ground anyway, so it's probably not worth worrying about.

" killing each other over food". Project fear on steroids .

I should have been clearer, that prediction is nothing to do with the Brexit cluster f***, it's to do with the coming climate apocalypse. Unless you think that's "Project Fear" too.

Enjoy your decade or 2 of "control"

admin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:46 pm Time is the only solution. The genie's well out of the bottle on this one and it'll take generations for the divides to heal.

We will leave the EU on or by 31st October, The division will heal as time goes by, however the remoaners will still not accept the democratic vote, after a short burst of campaign fear with knobs on, threatening armagedom and vitriol against the leavers (same as now) or worse, they will gradually fade away or should I say people will ignore them, which will hurt them even more

So long as we can all go on our holidays and the.cost of imported wine and cheese doesn't go up too much, remainers will probably get over Brexit quicker than leavers would a rescinded A50. I really don't think I could face another referendum campaign, and I reckon leave would still win anyway.

The worst thing now is the uncertainty. If we leave without a withdrawal agreement we'll muddle our way through somehow - it's what humans do. However I suspect we'll get some minor movement on the backstop which Boris will be celebrate as some major breakthrough. We'll then leave under the remaining terms of the original agreement struck by Theresa May, which he'll also rebrand (a la Boris bikes). He'll then win a GE.

The cultural divides, which Brexit has fully exposed, will just continue under other guises. That genie has been well and truly let out of the bottle.

Absolutely sick of it all, so will just make sure my family are okay. The rest of the country can do one, whatever the outcome.

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:53 pm

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:40 pm Irrespective of how people voted and what happens now, I believe that untold damage has been caused by the division this subject has riven through society

If we leave the EU without a deal I think there could be civil unrest, with more hatred and suspicion on either side

Leavers, already subject to untold abuse for intellectual stupidity, will be lambasted for having the referendum vote implemented regardless of the effects
Remainers, equally slagged off for being 'bad losers' and moaners etc, will be accused of anti-patriotism and considered fifth-columners for their continuing campaign to reverse our decision.

Eventually if we go back to the EU, and they make us pay for all the chaos - the arguments will inflame still further

If Parliament rescind's Article 50 or have another vote that maybe says REMAIN by a small margin - I can't see how the people will re-unite and move on.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can overcome this dreadful impasse and get back to being a (generally) open-minded and liberal country with respect for each other's beliefs.

We just need to respect the result, which clearly many parts of the establishment have not and do not.

If we leave on wto terms Lord Wolfson CEO of Next, has said that there will now be minor disruption because of the preparations of the current cabinet.

I actually think now that our future lies as a global player, not an integral part of the EU. The opportunities are far greater, with sovereignty in our hands and not being eroded by the very and increasingly undemocratic EU.

We will start to see these opportunities and then everything will start to settle.

My views have changed as time has moved on. But democracy must always ensure.

Unfortunately The need for a vote was not a democratic one, But one pushed through by terrified tories.
The result is not in doubt, but please dont think this vote was a democratic decision for 1 moment.

As for britain being a world player .

More like amerikees dumping ground .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:09 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:04 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:02 pm The trouble with snowflake leavers is this threat of violence unrest if they dont get there way.

If we leave they expect everybody who voted remain to dig us all out of the mess by showing some true British grit & making this country great again.

What they forget is most remainers will be causing as much civil unrest as possible becuase they will throw there toys out of the pram in outrage.

I won't. I will be using this convenient crisis and conflict to achieve Scottish Independence and a socialist revolution as quickly as possible after that. Then I will be retiring to Spain. Job done.

Correction, it's not Scottish independence you want but Scottish separation. If the Scottish people want to break away from the rest of the UK I haven't got a problem with that but you can't be independent and be a member of the EU.

Yawn

We are already poorer as a result of brexit. The currency has tanked and exports have not benefited. Our lives are to quite a serious extent more expensive than they were pre June 2016. These are tangible outcomes.

Seeing ourselves positioning ourselves to become supplicant to the States, a country who's economic and political model is completely at odds with our own, is humiliating to any patriotic British person. Becoming an American vassal is another tangible outcome nearly realised.

Britain is now a global laughing stock. Aside for some right wing kooks in the Anglosphere who cheer us on, we are an international punchline, a joke, a point of derision and an example of what hubris can do to a once powerful country.

Brexiteers will never own any of this. It will always be someone's else's fault, likely remain voters for not getting behind the result and sabotaging from day one. The enemies will be the universities, civil service, judiciary, the education system, basically all the elements of this country which actually get international respect and acclaim. What a sorry f*cking mess.

100% this ^

in 20 years time most of the bexites will be dead and the UK can move on to be a part of a bigger thing again. Until then though you're in for a crappy time.