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Only Oakwood and Cockfosters left to go!

BengeO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:38 am Only Oakwood and Cockfosters left to go!

England has been awful . We go a goal up then sit deep and defend . I saw the highlights of the Spain V Italy game last night and both teams look streets ahead of England . We'll scrap out of the group but the first half decent side we meet we're out .

BengeO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:38 am Only Oakwood and Cockfosters left to go!

Oi! Leave my areas out of it. Lovely neighbourhoods they are.

Southgates boring style of football will never ever get England winning a major tournament, I stopped watching England games ages ago, they did my head in.
Englands matches should be entertaining, with attacking football not the negative boring style of Southgates.
He is just a nearly man and nearly will never be good enough.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:13 am

BengeO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:38 am Only Oakwood and Cockfosters left to go!

England has been awful . We go a goal up then sit deep and defend . I saw the highlights of the Spain V Italy game last night and both teams look streets ahead of England . We'll scrap out of the group but the first half decent side we meet we're out .

Nothing but backwards and sideways passing, then gave it away cheaply. Sound familiar?!

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:39 am Southgates boring style of football will never ever get England winning a major tournament, I stopped watching England games ages ago, they did my head in.
Englands matches should be entertaining, with attacking football not the negative boring style of Southgates.
He is just a nearly man and nearly will never be good enough.

Whilst I agree with what’s been written about Southgate, the players must also take their fair share of blame. Kane has been anonymous, yes he scored a tap in yesterday but apart from that he’s just been jogging around doing fcuk all.
Rice and Bellingham yesterday were also poor………..we looked an absolute shambles and the fans rightly responded with Booing at the end.
If we meet Germany, Spain or France, we are doomed

Yeah, kane has really been wasting all the quality service he's been getting

It is strange to see the hammering Kane is suddenly getting from all quarters, when he's doing the same things and playing the same way he's always played.

Man is the best no.9 in the world right now, every team at this tournament would kill to have him in their side. If the system isn't getting the best out of him, then the system is the problem.

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:53 am

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:39 am Southgates boring style of football will never ever get England winning a major tournament, I stopped watching England games ages ago, they did my head in.
Englands matches should be entertaining, with attacking football not the negative boring style of Southgates.
He is just a nearly man and nearly will never be good enough.

Whilst I agree with what’s been written about Southgate, the players must also take their fair share of blame. Kane has been anonymous, yes he scored a tap in yesterday but apart from that he’s just been jogging around doing fcuk all.
Rice and Bellingham yesterday were also poor………..we looked an absolute shambles and the fans rightly responded with Booing at the end.
If we meet Germany, Spain or France, we are doomed

Playing with such poor players must be really frustrating for Bellingham and you can see his attitude beginning to sour. He needs to focus.

A lot of our players come across as less than bright and I'll include the manger in that too.
Maybe they aren't being instructed very clearly and are also having problems interpreting what is being said.
Kane has said they don't know when to press and others are wandering around like headless chickens.
Perhaps they need to go back to basics and play with a simple plan that they can all comprehend.

Which is what?

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:54 pm A lot of our players come across as less than bright and I'll include the manger in that too.
Maybe they aren't being instructed very clearly and are also having problems interpreting what is being said.
Kane has said they don't know when to press and others are wandering around like headless chickens.
Perhaps they need to go back to basics and play with a simple plan that they can all comprehend.

Forden is the biggest headless chicken out there. Needs dropped.

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:06 pm Which is what?

Well pass and move is pretty basic, isn't it?

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:54 pm
Perhaps they need to go back to basics and play with a simple plan that they can all comprehend.

Every player needs to keep to the following:

Assess when to retain possession and when to release the ball, picking the opportune moment.

Go at the opposition at different paces but ensure the full length of the pitch is utilised.

Look out for dangerous tackles, make sure you fulfil both your defensive and offensive responsibilities.

Exploit the space beyond the oppositions defensive line, this is the solitary method of achieving success.

Maybe yes but Southgate is to defensive

That one problem

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:39 pm

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:06 pm Which is what?

Well pass and move is pretty basic, isn't it?

But didnt Kane say they didn't know how to move?

Well if Kane and the players don't know how to move, what the hell is Gareth Southgate getting paid for?

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:46 pm Well if Kane and the players don't know how to move, what the hell is Gareth Southgate getting paid for?

Surely Footballers should know how to move, Southgate "oi Harry go there" , If you can't work that out, why are you playing?

I think Southgate will resign at the end of the Euros.

Who replaces him is an interesting one though

An we rename this Old Man Moaning Thread

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:13 pm

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:46 pm Well if Kane and the players don't know how to move, what the hell is Gareth Southgate getting paid for?

Surely Footballers should know how to move, Southgate "oi Harry go there" , If you can't work that out, why are you playing?

They all want the ball to feet. Running in behind isn’t their nature. They either run or Kane has to play like Ronaldo.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:56 pm

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:13 pm

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:46 pm Well if Kane and the players don't know how to move, what the hell is Gareth Southgate getting paid for?

Surely Footballers should know how to move, Southgate "oi Harry go there" , If you can't work that out, why are you playing?

They all want the ball to feet. Running in behind isn’t their nature. They either run or Kane has to play like Ronaldo.

Is that why the press failed? Kane isn't Ronaldo, why play like Ronaldo & 7 or 9?

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:37 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:56 pm

Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:13 pm

Surely Footballers should know how to move, Southgate "oi Harry go there" , If you can't work that out, why are you playing?

They all want the ball to feet. Running in behind isn’t their nature. They either run or Kane has to play like Ronaldo.

Is that why the press failed? Kane isn't Ronaldo, why play like Ronaldo & 7 or 9?

He holds position and drops off when its helps the team move forward.

The press failed because the players didn’t press.