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Anyone else following this?

Absolutely fascinating to see the (lack of) thought processes at the top of the Post Office on her watch. I struggle to understand how people like her get to the positions they're in with such negligible understanding of what they're in charge of.

Also infuriating to see such selective memory loss and the almost wilful misinterpretation of documents warning of errors in Horizon. There was one where someone basically said he could prove there were serious issues and she will end up before a public enquiry to explain herself, and the author was dismissed as a 'bluffer'.

I still fail to understand why the PO seem so keen to protect Fujitsu, I would have thought that as soon as they realised they'd been sold a dud they'd be all over them.
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Not sure she had a negligible understanding at all, just playing dumb to save her skin. Also assume Fujitsu has something on the post office that will come out of the post office turn on them,

A very human example of how much power capitalism has on ordinary people and how much they can get away with
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It’s not about capitalism: it’s about reliance on systems and a general trend towards assuming that people in positions of authority are likely to be competent and knowledgeable.
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Four people committed suicide over this while a some others went to jail . She belongs in prison.
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CEB wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 7:27 am It’s not about capitalism: it’s about reliance on systems and a general trend towards assuming that people in positions of authority are likely to be competent and knowledgeable.
Fair play, linking the post office scandal back to that.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 8:25 am Four people committed suicide over this while a some others went to jail . She belongs in prison.
100% this……..I don’t know how she sleeps at night.
She knew the Horizon system was flawed but continued to prosecute these poor innocent people and now she says she didn’t really know what was going on.
She surely will be prosecuted herself eventually.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 8:25 am Four people committed suicide over this while a some others went to jail . She belongs in prison.
Yep, for a country that likes to portray itself as open and above board we are a disgrace, how about the blood scandal, how many police officers were convicted about Hillsborough how many Politicians were brought to justice over Covid (partygate) the list goes on I’m afraid😡
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I used to go out with her sister but never met her,
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Stamford O wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 9:05 am I used to go out with her sister but never met her,
Pretty decent Lame to Fame tbf.
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Stamford O wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 9:05 am I used to go out with her sister but never met her,
I've never been out with someone I've not met.
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I’ve never been out with loads of people I’ve not met.
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CEB wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 7:27 am It’s not about capitalism: it’s about reliance on systems and a general trend towards assuming that people in positions of authority are likely to be competent and knowledgeable.
It’s about making money at all costs and if ruining peoples lives along the way aides that then it’s part and parcel
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Kind of, but not quite. It’s not about individual people being happy with ruining lives. It’s about a system that has no humanity, and individual people within it having no interest or motivation in doing anything outside the system.
It’s “computer said no” writ large
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CEB wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 10:56 am It’s about a system that has no humanity, and individual people within it having no interest or motivation in doing anything outside the system.
With the purpose of making money. That's capitalism, baby.

It's just a shame etc etc.
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It's fair that capitalism gets its share of the blame in this instance. Keef is right about the behaviour and conduct of the humans in control, but the overriding objective they were aiming for was to prep the Post Office for full and final privatisation.
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Hoover Attack wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 11:08 am
CEB wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 10:56 am It’s about a system that has no humanity, and individual people within it having no interest or motivation in doing anything outside the system.
With the purpose of making money. That's capitalism, baby.

It's just a shame etc etc.
If only there was another way.
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Dunners wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 11:11 am It's fair that capitalism gets its share of the blame in this instance. Keef is right about the behaviour and conduct of the humans in control, but the overriding objective they were aiming for was to prep the Post Office for full and final privatisation.
And to personally benefit from overblown bonuses and other incentive schemes.

CEB is wrong about not seeing the relevance of the drivers of capitalism as being a main reason for greedy, lying behaviour in this case.
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I think we can all agree that Vennells, and the rest of the executives involved in this, should rot in jail.
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Dunners wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 11:23 am I think we can all agree that Vennells, and the rest of the executives involved in this, should rot in jail.
Definitely blame the individuals and ignore the system in which they have to operate.
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Hoover Attack wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 11:26 am
Dunners wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 11:23 am I think we can all agree that Vennells, and the rest of the executives involved in this, should rot in jail.
Definitely blame the individuals and ignore the system in which they have to operate.
I did blame the system. In my previous post.
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If only there was a better system but as we have firmly established there isn't and that's a shame.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 8:25 am Four people committed suicide over this while a some others went to jail . She belongs in prison.
Along with a number of others
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Monkey Boy wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 8:44 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 8:25 am Four people committed suicide over this while a some others went to jail . She belongs in prison.
Yep, for a country that likes to portray itself as open and above board we are a disgrace, how about the blood scandal, how many police officers were convicted about Hillsborough how many Politicians were brought to justice over Covid (partygate) the list goes on I’m afraid😡
It is disturbing the number of such situations we are able to recollect without too much effort - but I'm glad that we at least live in a country where wrongs can be publicly identified and brought to task. Out of the 200+ countries on this planet there are very few where this can occur.
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We are truly the rightful leaders of the democratic world. Rule Britannia.
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