Independent Leyton Orient Forum

I think it's still early to have a firm judgement on Jack Simpson, but nevertheless ignoring contract speculation, who would be your central defensive pair. Vote for two. Just intrigued as I think opinions will vary widely.

If we retain all 4, this is definitely our best covered area. Not much to choose between any of them, 4 genuine L1 standard players to fight it out.

Chined u is a brilliant name, tho.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:05 pm Chined u is a brilliant name, tho.

Indeed, but will Nathan Light be physical enough in this league of hammer throwers?

Beckles and Happe which will likely transfer to Beckles and Simpson for start of next season

Our four main CB’s all bring their own attributes so it’s impossible for me to choose . One thing is for sure, if we keep all four for next season we will be incredibly strong in that area . I wish all our other positions could be that strong .

Happe and Simpson. It isn’t close.

Its a shame Simpson is such a fanny.

Jack Simpson is defo benefiting from recency bias.

His distribution seems to be superb and he looks extremely comfortable on the ball. On a purely footballing level, can see why Wellens pushed for him despite the obvious baggage.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:14 pm Jack Simpson is defo benefiting from recency bias.

I don’t like him but its clear his level is above what we have

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:14 pm Jack Simpson is defo benefiting from recency bias.

I disagree. Playing wise he looks like a quality player.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:12 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:14 pm Jack Simpson is defo benefiting from recency bias.

I don’t like him but its clear his level is above what we have

Basically, that’s why we need keep him. Whether we should have signed him in the first place is on the other thread. We need players who are above if we want to progress

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:14 pm Jack Simpson is defo benefiting from recency bias.

Nah mate.

Not looked out of place when should have been really rusty. With a full pre season, I’d expect him to be first choice.

Happe is benefitting from not playing recently.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:30 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:12 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:14 pm Jack Simpson is defo benefiting from recency bias.

I don’t like him but its clear his level is above what we have

Basically, that’s why we need keep him. Whether we should have signed him in the first place is on the other thread. We need players who are above if we want to progress

I fully accept Jack Simpson has looked comfortable on the ball. That said he has only been involved in the last four matches where we have conceded seven goals. At Derby we conceded from three corners and looked a shambles at the back. Obviously not all Simpsons fault, but I've not seen a commanding defence with him in the team. Not saying he's awful, only that the jury is still out IMHO. Not sure how he is clearly above the other three just because he can pass a ball.

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:34 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:30 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:12 pm
I don’t like him but its clear his level is above what we have

Basically, that’s why we need keep him. Whether we should have signed him in the first place is on the other thread. We need players who are above if we want to progress

I fully accept Jack Simpson has looked comfortable on the ball. That said he has only been involved in the last four matches where we have conceded seven goals. At Derby we conceded from three corners and looked a shambles at the back. Obviously not all Simpsons fault, but I've not seen a commanding defence with him in the team. Not saying he's awful, only that the jury is still out IMHO. Not sure how he is clearly above the other three just because he can pass a ball.

When you play with Omar Beckles, the whole defence shits a brick

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:43 pm

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:34 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:30 pm

Basically, that’s why we need keep him. Whether we should have signed him in the first place is on the other thread. We need players who are above if we want to progress

I fully accept Jack Simpson has looked comfortable on the ball. That said he has only been involved in the last four matches where we have conceded seven goals. At Derby we conceded from three corners and looked a shambles at the back. Obviously not all Simpsons fault, but I've not seen a commanding defence with him in the team. Not saying he's awful, only that the jury is still out IMHO. Not sure how he is clearly above the other three just because he can pass a ball.

When you play with Omar Beckles, the whole defence shits a brick

I believe Omar without Jack Simpson helped us go five matches without conceding a goal at the beginning of the year. Obviously the seven goals we've conceded since Jack started playing are all Omar's fault.

Beccles frightens the life out of me, he’s far to casual and doesn’t have the pace to make up for his mistakes,Happe as I’ve said many times is great when he’s fit however your be lucky to get half the season out of him. Release them both and get two new CB’s in.

Still can’t quite understand the flak Beckles gets. Our best form in many years was when he and Happe were together at the start of this year. When he’s good, Orient are good, and it’s clear how highly Wellens rates him.

Omar struggles to concentrate for 90 mins, just too relaxed sometimes and it costs us.
I don’t think he should be in the first choice pairing but a decent enough back up.

PKM wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:51 pm Omar struggles to concentrate for 90 mins, just too relaxed sometimes and it costs us.
I don’t think he should be in the first choice pairing but a decent enough back up.

Good observation that.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:38 am Beccles frightens the life out of me, he’s far to casual and doesn’t have the pace to make up for his mistakes,Happe as I’ve said many times is great when he’s fit however your be lucky to get half the season out of him. Release them both and get two new CB’s in.

At least Happe's two major injury's of recent seasons have been different to each other, not recurrences of the same injuries. We miss his height and heading ability in central defence so IMO, well worth keeping him for next season, but of course that is also down to if he wants to stay at the Os when his contract runs out at the end of this season. Due to general bad health I have not been able to go and attend any of Os matches this season but from all accounts, Simpson appears to be a good footballing central defender.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:37 pm Still can’t quite understand the flak Beckles gets. Our best form in many years was when he and Happe were together at the start of this year. When he’s good, Orient are good, and it’s clear how highly Wellens rates him.

The problem is when he is good is few and far between. When he’s bad, he costs us games.

He’s coming up to 33 years of age, now is the time to move him on.

Not sure about Jackkk Simpson yet.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:28 pm Not sure about Jackkk Simpson yet.

Absolutely f*cking disgraceful posting that.
You should be ashamed of yourself
And I see you are a ‘moderator’
Words fail.