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Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:02 pm
by gshaw
A little "what if" exercise... imagine the FA Cup replay thing blew up and in the end the Premier League flounced off into a European Super League sunset and the EFL broke away to do their own thing.
If you could reinvent the domestic game to get away from the worst of greed and excess at the top level what would you change?
Here's a few I'd start with
1) fixed budget for all clubs within a league, the limit stepped up in increments from NL (or League 3 as it could perhaps become known) so everyone completes on a level playing field
2) owners must put up a bond as a safety net so losses are covered in advance (Kent talked about it on Orient Hour and it's something I fully agree with)
3) drop Sky and stream all games with iFollow
4) no VAR in any English domestic game, good riddance
5) as clubs would be operating to smaller fixed budget lower ticket prices for fans
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:10 pm
by The Reverend
Clubs are only allowed to sign players born within a 10 mile radius of the home ground.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:01 pm
by Top of the JES
gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:02 pm
A little "what if" exercise... imagine the FA Cup replay thing blew up and in the end the Premier League flounced off into a European Super League sunset and the EFL broke away to do their own thing.
If you could reinvent the domestic game to get away from the worst of greed and excess at the top level what would you change?
Here's a few I'd start with
1) fixed budget for all clubs within a league, the limit stepped up in increments from NL (or League 3 as it could perhaps become known) so everyone completes on a level playing field
2) owners must put up a bond as a safety net so losses are covered in advance (Kent talked about it on Orient Hour and it's something I fully agree with)
3) drop Sky and stream all games with iFollow
4) no VAR in any English domestic game, good riddance
5) as clubs would be operating to smaller fixed budget lower ticket prices for fans
So after totally losing the money that the EPL provide to EFL clubs, you would compound things by ditching Sky for ifollow. as much as you may not like Sky without the money they and the EPL provide, these changes would leave all EFL clubs struggling financially. In comparison to the Sky money ifollow income for most clubs would be tiny. Your next brainwave is to limit the amount of money coming through the turnstiles by lowering ticket prices - genius. clubs would be going out of business left, right and centre.
This season we have Derby and Stevenage in the same division, For arguments sake lets say Stevenage average 7,000 and Derby 25,000 so by insisting on a fixed budget you penalise the better supported clubs, they would be off to form a super championship before you could blink.
I wouldn't be applying for any jobs in football or economics if I were you.
The best change would be to incorporate NL teams into a restructured League 2 North and South this would reduce costs in the lower divisions and increase income with more local derbies and higher attendances attendances.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:23 pm
by Rubex Kube
Top of the JES wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:01 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:02 pm
A little "what if" exercise... imagine the FA Cup replay thing blew up and in the end the Premier League flounced off into a European Super League sunset and the EFL broke away to do their own thing.
If you could reinvent the domestic game to get away from the worst of greed and excess at the top level what would you change?
Here's a few I'd start with
1) fixed budget for all clubs within a league, the limit stepped up in increments from NL (or League 3 as it could perhaps become known) so everyone completes on a level playing field
2) owners must put up a bond as a safety net so losses are covered in advance (Kent talked about it on Orient Hour and it's something I fully agree with)
3) drop Sky and stream all games with iFollow
4) no VAR in any English domestic game, good riddance
5) as clubs would be operating to smaller fixed budget lower ticket prices for fans
So after totally losing the money that the EPL provide to EFL clubs, you would compound things by ditching Sky for ifollow. as much as you may not like Sky without the money they and the EPL provide, these changes would leave all EFL clubs struggling financially. In comparison to the Sky money ifollow income for most clubs would be tiny. Your next brainwave is to limit the amount of money coming through the turnstiles by lowering ticket prices - genius. clubs would be going out of business left, right and centre.
This season we have Derby and Stevenage in the same division, For arguments sake lets say Stevenage average 7,000 and Derby 25,000 so by insisting on a fixed budget you penalise the better supported clubs, they would be off to form a super championship before you could blink.
I wouldn't be applying for any jobs in football or economics if I were you.
The best change would be to incorporate NL teams into a restructured League 2 North and South this would reduce costs in the lower divisions and increase income with more local derbies and higher attendances attendances.
No to the North South thing, some great pubs in Halifax & the like.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:15 am
by Hoover Attack
Bring back inflatables on a regular basis, not just our big days out.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:21 am
by BiggsyMalone
gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:02 pm
A little "what if" exercise... imagine the FA Cup replay thing blew up and in the end the Premier League flounced off into a European Super League sunset and the EFL broke away to do their own thing.
If you could reinvent the domestic game to get away from the worst of greed and excess at the top level what would you change?
Here's a few I'd start with
1) fixed budget for all clubs within a league, the limit stepped up in increments from NL (or League 3 as it could perhaps become known) so everyone completes on a level playing field
2) owners must put up a bond as a safety net so losses are covered in advance (Kent talked about it on Orient Hour and it's something I fully agree with)
3) drop Sky and stream all games with iFollow
4) no VAR in any English domestic game, good riddance
5) as clubs would be operating to smaller fixed budget lower ticket prices for fans
Well done. You’ve just killed domestic football in the UK
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:55 am
by Dunners
There's just no other way.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:59 am
by redintheface
gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:02 pm
A little "what if" exercise... imagine the FA Cup replay thing blew up and in the end the Premier League flounced off into a European Super League sunset and the EFL broke away to do their own thing.
If you could reinvent the domestic game to get away from the worst of greed and excess at the top level what would you change?
Here's a few I'd start with
1) fixed budget for all clubs within a league, the limit stepped up in increments from NL (or League 3 as it could perhaps become known) so everyone completes on a level playing field
2) owners must put up a bond as a safety net so losses are covered in advance (Kent talked about it on Orient Hour and it's something I fully agree with)
3) drop Sky and stream all games with iFollow
4) no VAR in any English domestic game, good riddance
5) as clubs would be operating to smaller fixed budget lower ticket prices for fans
While you’re at it, get rid of the “ transfer window” chaos and allow players to move between clubs up until the end of January.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:37 am
by StillSpike
gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:02 pm
1) fixed budget for all clubs within a league, the limit stepped up in increments from NL (or League 3 as it could perhaps become known) so everyone completes on a level playing field
A better variation would be to make it a fixed number of players that any team could have registered (including players out on loan etc) at any one time. Fixed by league - say 1st Division - 40 players, 2nd Division - 38 players, 3rd Division 32 players and so on. No cash limit, so bigger teams can pay the best wages etc, but a rigid limit on the number they can register. That would turn it into a buyers market in a stroke and drive down wages (and insolvencies).
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:03 am
by Hoover Attack
Disagree - wages would go through the roof if you limit the number of players in each squad.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:07 am
by Beradogs
Why can’t it work, it does in the NFL and they have different levels of support for the different teams.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:17 am
by Mistadobalina
Our fans would absolutely blow their tops if we were forced to live within our means. We'd be forever more a League 1/2 yoyo team.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:18 am
by Proposition Joe
Beradogs wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:07 am
Why can’t it work, it does in the NFL and they have different levels of support for the different teams.
This. But it needs to be a collective endeavour and enforced. Which sadly won't happen.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:19 am
by Dunners
Aside from the odd excursion into higher/lower leagues, we are a League 1/2 yoyo team.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:26 am
by StillSpike
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:03 am
Disagree - wages would go through the roof if you limit the number of players in each squad.
Show your workings ?
If there are a surplus number of players chasing a finite number of jobs, how then does that drive wages in any way but down ?
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:13 pm
by Chelmsford Swimmer
StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:26 am
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:03 am
Disagree - wages would go through the roof if you limit the number of players in each squad.
Show your workings ?
If there are a surplus number of players chasing a finite number of jobs, how then does that drive wages in any way but down ?
Clubs have budgets and will spend to budget limits to compete. If they have fewer players, they will offer higher salaries to get the better players.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:32 pm
by LittleMate
StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:26 am
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:03 am
Disagree - wages would go through the roof if you limit the number of players in each squad.
Show your workings ?
If there are a surplus number of players chasing a finite number of jobs, how then does that drive wages in any way but down ?
1. This would kill the premierships (and EFL clubs) investment in their youth structures - because so many youth's would be chasing a pipe dream and so pursue other obectives. This creates a drought of available players.
2. Agents know how much £ clubs have and how much they can afford to spend on players. Clubs do spend up to their limits and beyond. Remember when Setanta came in and bough up the rights? Wages went up; Setanta went bust and clubs nearly did too. Their response was to lower playing budgets. Squad sizes never fell because clubs need x number of players to make it through a season. Player wages fell until better TV deals came along.
3. Since when in the history of football have owners ever been sensible about spending? To get the right player they will always pay the right price.
Re: Reinventing domestic football
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:44 pm
by Real Al
The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:10 pm
Clubs are only allowed to sign players born within a 10 mile radius of the home ground.
Seems a little unfair on players from Cornwall