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What is the general consensus on here,will he stay or will he go before the next season starts?

Aha, an actual question this time. Progress.

Depends how much money this round of investment raising brings in.

stay

I believe you've asked this before.

Prediction for part 3- some guff about saving wages by signing players 'late'.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:21 am stay

I believe you've asked this before.

Prediction for part 3- some guff about saving wages by signing players 'late'.

Love you too LSN. I said he would be gone by next season and I’m sticking to it. Actually I never asked the question just put what I thought. And at least I put actual football stuff on here and not rant and rave about religion or politics which I thought this forum was about.

Ah, so you ask questions, but only questions about which you already know what you think and you aren’t open to changing your mind.
Excellent boarding

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:49 am Ah, so you ask questions, but only questions about which you already know what you think and you aren’t open to changing your mind.
Excellent boarding

If I had changed my mind you would have found a reason to have a go about that.,read the question (I presume you can read?) I asked people what they thought. But not you

I can’t read. Thanks a LOT

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:49 am Ah, so you ask questions, but only questions about which you already know what you think and you aren’t open to changing your mind.
Excellent boarding

Yeah, imagine doing that

In answer to the question, I reckon he might go. Any championship team (that isn’t a basket case club) comes in for him he’ll be off

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:06 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:49 am Ah, so you ask questions, but only questions about which you already know what you think and you aren’t open to changing your mind.
Excellent boarding

Yeah, imagine doing that

You do realise that the thing to which you refer is something on which I have literally changed my mind entirely by reading the evidence and going with it? You get that, right?

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:10 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:06 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:49 am Ah, so you ask questions, but only questions about which you already know what you think and you aren’t open to changing your mind.
Excellent boarding

Yeah, imagine doing that

You do realise that the thing to which you refer is something on which I have literally changed my mind entirely by reading the evidence and going with it? You get that, right?

I meant the last 30 pages of that thread

So you mean I don’t change my mind after the bit where I changed my mind the first time.
Gotcha

That veil has slipped over your eyes

If only I were open minded enough to be able to accept the compelling argument you’ve put forward of “that doesn’t sound right. Are you sure it isn’t wrong?”, but unfortunately, I’m too embarrassingly stubborn to back down from my opinion when confronted with such dizzying rationality

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:20 pm If only I were open minded enough to be able to accept the compelling argument you’ve put forward of “that doesn’t sound right. Are you sure it isn’t wrong?”, but unfortunately, I’m too embarrassingly stubborn to back down from my opinion when confronted with such dizzying rationality

Haha that is a fair point.

But you also spent 3 pages asking me questions you already knew the answer to where you weren’t going to change your mind.

As well as he has done here I don’t think he would be as in demand as some might think.

Look at it from a Championship clubs perspective. Hiring Wellens would be a bit of a gamble. He has never managed above league 1 and it’s now well known he has a bit of an attitude problem with the footballing authorities. So who in the championship hires him?

I doubt any of the top half championship teams would have him. They need somebody who is proven at Championship or even Premier League level. Or at least has Championship/Play-off experience at that level.

Of the lower half championship teams, there’s a few basket case clubs in there so rule those out (Wellens wouldn’t give up a secure job in league 1 with sensible owners for a precarious one at a club which could get relegated anyway).

That leaves what? 7 or 8 championship clubs who might take a punt on him. Of those, they would have to be London or North West / Yorkshire based. For example, I can’t see Wellens upping sticks to Plymouth. Maybe a Huddersfield or a Blackburn would take him (if they stay up). Possibly Swansea?

I could also see him going to another league 1 club with a bigger budget. Someone like Bolton if they don’t go up.

The only other option I can see is someone like Derby going up and their manager moving on. But again, in that situation don’t you want someone with Championship experience to keep you up?

Rev, You are 90%+ right as far as I'm concerned. I might differ on what club he might go to but he has a narrow choice. Based on his own past - and current - experiences I think he would be very selective where he went. He'd want a high degree of autonomy around any club he went to. The only thing that would cloud that judgement would be a contract that was too good to turn down - and that's understandable.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:07 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:20 pm If only I were open minded enough to be able to accept the compelling argument you’ve put forward of “that doesn’t sound right. Are you sure it isn’t wrong?”, but unfortunately, I’m too embarrassingly stubborn to back down from my opinion when confronted with such dizzying rationality

Haha that is a fair point.

But you also spent 3 pages asking me questions you already knew the answer to where you weren’t going to change your mind.

Well yes, but I did tell you that I was walking you through a point, and me “not being open to changing my mind” was because I was aiming to demonstrate something to you. But anyway, let’s not further derail…

OyinbO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:12 am Depends how much money this round of investment raising brings in.

This does feel like a big factor. With a fair wind (some decent Summer signings, fewer injuries) Wellens may well get us challenging even harder for the playoffs next season. But if he was given a similar budget next season and we finished outside the playoffs, surely there'd be a "taken the club as far as I can" risk at that point.

Wellens is capable of launching a promotion push with the same budget level, so long as none of it is wasted.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:09 pm Wellens is capable of launching a promotion push with the same budget level, so long as none of it is wasted.

You mean not paying for “set piece coaches” and signing out of work racists?

Hadn't even considered those.

And not talking about the injuries either.

All of Piggot,Thompson, Drinnan and Moncur for two thirds of the season have been paid without contributing. Plus the two kids we've panic signed who aren't up to the level we need.

From the tenor of his recent post match interviews, I would say he'll be off soon. He seems to have lost interest and doesn't seem to take it seriously anymore. Very different to the way used to sound.

Minds you they're bit more interesting to listen to.

bobo66 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:35 pm From the tenor of his recent post match interviews, I would say he'll be off soon. He seems to have lost interest and doesn't seem to take it seriously anymore. Very different to the way used to sound.

Minds you they're bit more interesting to listen to.

Seems to have lost interest ??

Bizarre comment. Care to explain how you’ve come to that conclusion?