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Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:14 pm
by Long slender neck
Lee Anderson was suspended from the Tory party in Parliament on Saturday following comments he made about the Labour Mayor of London Sadiq Khan on Friday while discussing how the Metropolitan Police has handled pro-Palestinian protests in London on GB News.
Interviewed on the channel, which employs him as a presenter, Anderson was asked about a column fellow Tory MP and former Home Secretary Suella Braverman wrote last week, in which she said recent demonstrations in the UK showed Islamists were "in charge" of the country.
Asked about the remarks, Anderson said: "I don't actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they've got control of Khan and they've got control of London, and they've got control of Starmer as well."
He later added: "People are just turning up in their thousands, and doing anything they want, and they are laughing at our police. This stems with Khan, he's actually given our capital city away to his mates".
I think this is just bizarre. How exactly would they control any of these things? And if they were in control, why would they need to protest every weekend?
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:17 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
The guys a nut. He’s clearly playing to a specific audience who do think this.
Look at the comments under any post my Khan or about anything he has done. Anderson is just trying the lowest level populism possible and probably succeeding with his audience
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:21 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Also, there’s a small part of me that can’t help smirk every time I see a far right numpty defending Jews and/or Israel.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:26 pm
by Give it to Jabo
There’s a wafer between his stated view and that of other right-wing populists in the government…
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:29 pm
by OyinbO
He's a moronic pub bore stoking division in order to further his own media career.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:34 pm
by Hoover Attack
I wasn't aware of this until today, which kinds of sums up where we are. Imagine the immediate furore if someone had uttered something daft like Jews control this country.
What I don't understand if how Sewerla Braverman said Islamists control the country and that was ok, but this goon has said no they don't, they only control London, and that's going too far? Bizarre times.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:45 pm
by Dunners
Islamists do not 'control' anything meaningful in the UK.
There's an argument to be made that Islamist movements (like other fascists) will seek to infiltrate and erode the veracity of democratic and/or secularist institutions, but they are thankfully inept at doing this effectively and at scale. They're actually more prone to internal divisions and splinter groups than lefties.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:52 pm
by Proposition Joe
Fun to remember he was a Labour Councillor as recently as 2018.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:06 pm
by Beradogs
Seeing as Khan will get re elected primarily due to the Muslim vote isn’t it fair to say they control London? If Tommy Robinson was Mayor and kept on getting elected you would say that the far right controlled London.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:08 pm
by Beradogs
I am no fan of Anderson by the way. His views are certainly to the left of mine.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:12 pm
by CEB
Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:06 pm
Seeing as Khan will get re elected primarily due to the Muslim vote isn’t it fair to say they control London? If Tommy Robinson was Mayor and kept on getting elected you would certainly say that the far right controlled London.
Surely if the Muslim vote is so important, then if Tommy Robinson were elected it would still show that Muslims controlled London?
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:17 pm
by Beradogs
Fair point.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:30 pm
by Long slender neck
Is there much Khan can do about protests anyway?
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:33 pm
by Hoover Attack
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:30 pm
Is there much Khan can do about protests anyway?
Get out the water cannons?
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:35 pm
by Hoover Attack
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:45 pm
Islamists do not 'control' anything meaningful in the UK.
There's an argument to be made that Islamist movements (like other fascists) will seek to infiltrate and erode the veracity of democratic and/or secularist institutions, but they are thankfully inept at doing this effectively and at scale. They're actually more prone to internal divisions and splinter groups than lefties.
Are there any other religions who have tried to infiltrate institutions and have they been more successful?
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:36 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:06 pm
Seeing as Khan will get re elected primarily due to the Muslim vote isn’t it fair to say they control London? If Tommy Robinson was Mayor and kept on getting elected you would say that the far right controlled London.
That’s not what Anderson is saying though
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:49 pm
by ComeOnYouOs
Anderson is an out and out racist.
He was thrown out of Labour for being a racist, and he's still a racist.
I also believe Braverman is every bit as much a racist as Anderson, yet she seems to have a free reign to spout her poison.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:20 pm
by Proposition Joe
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:49 pm
Anderson is an out and out racist.
He was thrown out of Labour for being a racist, and he's still a racist.
FactWatch: He wasn't thrown out of Labour. He was suspended after being given a Community Protection Notice for trying to stop Travellers pitch up on some land, then jumped ship to the Tories.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:24 pm
by CEB
“Fine! I’ll join the tories then!” - anyone who can actually exist in public life after doing that, is inherently always going to be an irredeemable c***
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:27 pm
by Dunners
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:35 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:45 pm
Islamists do not 'control' anything meaningful in the UK.
There's an argument to be made that Islamist movements (like other fascists) will seek to infiltrate and erode the veracity of democratic and/or secularist institutions, but they are thankfully inept at doing this effectively and at scale. They're actually more prone to internal divisions and splinter groups than lefties.
Are there any other religions who have tried to infiltrate institutions and have they been more successful?
You're doing that thing that Maxy used to do, and asking a question to which you already know the answer.
Anyway, it's not about the religion per se. It could be anything. The point is that there are groups formed on ideological grounds which use Islam as the divisible for establishing in-group/out-group dynamics.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:49 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Are there any other boarders who use this form of whatabouterry and have they been more successful?
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:54 pm
by Admin
OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:29 pm
He's a moronic pub bore stoking division in order to further his own media career.
Just calling him a c*** would've sufficed.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:18 pm
by Hoover Attack
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:27 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:35 pm
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:45 pm
Islamists do not 'control' anything meaningful in the UK.
There's an argument to be made that Islamist movements (like other fascists) will seek to infiltrate and erode the veracity of democratic and/or secularist institutions, but they are thankfully inept at doing this effectively and at scale. They're actually more prone to internal divisions and splinter groups than lefties.
Are there any other religions who have tried to infiltrate institutions and have they been more successful?
You're doing that thing that Maxy used to do, and asking a question to which you already know the answer.
Anyway, it's not about the religion per se. It could be anything. The point is that there are groups formed on ideological grounds which use Islam as the divisible for establishing in-group/out-group dynamics.
Fair enough.
Are there any other groups formed on ideological grounds that use other religions as the divisible whatever?
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:47 pm
by Yanzi Gravy
They will naturally be influential in areas where they have a great deal of councillors representing a large Muslim population like Newham or Tower Hamlets. Similarly , Jewish Councillors once dominated areas of areas like Redbridge when there was a large Jewish population there.
Re: Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:53 pm
by Proposition Joe
Lots of people seem to be lazily conflating "Islamists" with "Muslims" here, which is probably the exact result Anderson and the like were aiming for.