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Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:16 pm
by Proposition Joe
Is this becoming more common (stretched Social Services and Police forces unable to respond adequately) or is there just greater media coverage?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... r-68094466
I know we've discussed the death penalty before and, despite welling up while reading some of the details of this case, I still stand in opposition to this but boy oh boy do I hope this c*nt gets done while he's inside and, most unfortunately, no-one sees anything. Not sure if that makes me a hypocrite or not but I'm OK with that position for now.
(Just wanted to cheer this place up a bit)
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:24 pm
by Chicken Dhansak
Just how are these kids even able to get hold of these lethal weapons, let alone use them?
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:28 pm
by Story of O
More than 60 calls were made to police and social services about this poor lad, the whole system needs an overhaul. And you are not a hypocrite, many will think the same
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:32 pm
by Story of O
Were the Grandparents wrong in not acting on their fears. I know they reported their concerns, but when they were not acted on I might have been inclined to take the child away from the danger.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:34 pm
by Hoover Attack
Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:24 pm
Just how are these kids even able to get hold of these lethal weapons, let alone use them?
What?
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:35 pm
by Hoover Attack
Story of O wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:32 pm
Were the Grandparents wrong in not acting on their fears. I know they reported their concerns, but when they were not acted on I might have been inclined to take the child away from the danger.
That's called kidnapping.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:36 pm
by Mistadobalina
Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:24 pm
Just how are these kids even able to get hold of these lethal weapons, let alone use them?
Vast majority of murders of under 16s are done by parents or carers.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:40 pm
by RedDwarf 1881
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:16 pm
Is this becoming more common (stretched Social Services and Police forces unable to respond adequately) or is there just greater media coverage?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... r-68094466
I know we've discussed the death penalty before and, despite welling up while reading some of the details of this case, I still stand in opposition to this but boy oh boy do I hope this c*nt gets done while he's inside and, most unfortunately, no-one sees anything. Not sure if that makes me a hypocrite or not but I'm OK with that position for now.
(Just wanted to cheer this place up a bit)
After reading that indeed it brings a tear to the eye . You're not alone in hoping that c*nt gets done while inside .
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:59 pm
by Cheshunto
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:40 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:16 pm
Is this becoming more common (stretched Social Services and Police forces unable to respond adequately) or is there just greater media coverage?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... r-68094466
I know we've discussed the death penalty before and, despite welling up while reading some of the details of this case, I still stand in opposition to this but boy oh boy do I hope this c*nt gets done while he's inside and, most unfortunately, no-one sees anything. Not sure if that makes me a hypocrite or not but I'm OK with that position for now.
(Just wanted to cheer this place up a bit)
After reading that indeed it brings a tear to the eye . You're not alone in hoping that c*nt gets done while inside .
TBH they both need sorting out in prison, and it will probably happen, not today or tomorrow but at some point in the future.
Total scum and we the taxpayers have to pay for their keep in prison.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:11 pm
by Proposition Joe
Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:24 pm
Just how are these kids even able to get hold of these lethal weapons, let alone use them?
Random comments about stories you clearly haven't read
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:00 pm
by JimbO
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:16 pm
Is this becoming more common (stretched Social Services and Police forces unable to respond adequately) or is there just greater media coverage?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... r-68094466
I know we've discussed the death penalty before and, despite welling up while reading some of the details of this case, I still stand in opposition to this but boy oh boy do I hope this c*nt gets done while he's inside and, most unfortunately, no-one sees anything. Not sure if that makes me a hypocrite or not but I'm OK with that position for now.
(Just wanted to cheer this place up a bit)
So you hope he gets a death sentence but not from the state from the law of the jungle. So you not really against a death sentence just how it's administered.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:33 pm
by Proposition Joe
I don't think it's the state's place to issue a death warrant but wouldn't mind at all if some kind of natural justice took place.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:33 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Not gonna read the details, too upsetting but I agree I notice more and more of these stories
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:59 pm
by Dunners
Yeah, I've noticed them more and more too. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but my suspicion is that this is not because to an increase in incidents, but an increase in the tendency for the media to push them. On a few of these cases I've found the news reporting to be too much.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:08 pm
by Omygawd
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:16 pm
Is this becoming more common (stretched Social Services and Police forces unable to respond adequately) or is there just greater media coverage?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... r-68094466
I know we've discussed the death penalty before and, despite welling up while reading some of the details of this case, I still stand in opposition to this but boy oh boy do I hope this c*nt gets done while he's inside and, most unfortunately, no-one sees anything. Not sure if that makes me a hypocrite or not but I'm OK with that position for now.
(Just wanted to cheer this place up a bit)
I don’t think that makes you a hypocrite at all. There is a breaking point for all of us where we would wish harm on sh#t people like this. Threads elsewhere have discussed Local Authority and wider public sector funding. My fear is that demand for critical services such as child protection are now inextricably linked with the huge reductions in direct and indirectly related funding streams. Sure there is smell of hopeless failure in the appalling tragedy that has befallen this child but the tendency these days is to apportion blame to frequently under resourced and under funded areas where actually we need a searching root and branch review that identifies how we make these services fit for purpose. This is not some sudden act that has deprived this child of their life, 60 plus referrals smacks not just of inefficiency but systemic service and managerial breakdown. In the meantime this child becomes just another statistic. Never mind, someone on here will turn this round a rant about private sector landlords.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:29 pm
by Long slender neck
There always seems to be inaction from all the different state agencies involved. We're a spineless country.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:52 pm
by Proposition Joe
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:59 pm
Yeah, I've noticed them more and more too. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but my suspicion is that this is not because to an increase in incidents, but an increase in the tendency for the media to push them. On a few of these cases I've found the news reporting to be too much.
Just thinking back to an event like Baby P, maybe hindsight is clouding things but that really seemed all the more shocking because it was so rare and, years later, it was still referred to in hushed tones at Councils everywhere as what could happen if you really effed up. I can probably think of 6 or 7 similar cases from the last 2 years alone.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:15 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
I’ve noticed with the BBC especially they’ll lead with Bad thing happened ——> Who f*cked up and where were the failings, who can we point the finger at. It’s the way they reported the Nottingham triple murder this week too and is the headline to this story.
Whereas they used to go Bad thing happened here’s what happened.
The story above dedicates one paragraph to the killers and the rest is “who else is to blame”
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:25 pm
by Long slender neck
You are right, I've found their coverage of stories just weird in certain cases, as if they are holding back basic information.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:35 pm
by BoniO
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:29 pm
There always seems to be inaction from all the different state agencies involved. We're a spineless country.
Well, lack of investment leading to lack of staff leading to staff burnout is a major contributor. Plus the previously mentioned blame culture prevalent in the Media leads to inaction as organisations are scared of getting it wrong - taking kids away too early, they get slammed - too late, dire consequences can occur as in this case. It’s almost a lose/lose for the agencies concerned.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:51 pm
by Long slender neck
Its not a job I'd like to do, but doesnt sound like a borderline case. Probably easier to prove wrongdoing after the act though.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:41 pm
by Adz
Underfunded and underpowered, it's surprising this doesn't happen more often. Everything about this story is heartbreaking. I'd quite happily have the death penalty for scum like this.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:36 pm
by Proposition Joe
BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:35 pm
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:29 pm
There always seems to be inaction from all the different state agencies involved. We're a spineless country.
Well, lack of investment leading to lack of staff leading to staff burnout is a major contributor. Plus the previously mentioned blame culture prevalent in the Media leads to inaction as organisations are scared of getting it wrong - taking kids away too early, they get slammed - too late, dire consequences can occur as in this case. It’s almost a lose/lose for the agencies concerned.
Social workers have had insane caseloads for a decade and it's only got worse. Even if they were the best, most dedicated, effective and perceptive professionals out there, there's simply too many cases and too little time. Impossible job. Similar to housing officers, many instances were they just have too many tenants to be able to manage under any sane circumstances so it becomes inevitable that people fall through the net.
I was the housing rep for the local authority's MARAC DV meetings and the number of serious cases we saw where agencies turned up without a proper knowledge of where the cases and their clients were at was insane. Plod were the worst, regularly had no idea whether alleged perpetrators had been charged, remanded, had bail restrictions etc. Wasn't much joint working either, occasionally shared handy info with each other but too often became Social Services/the Police/supporting agencies just shrugging and looking at me asking "can't you just move them? That'll solve everything". Spoiler, it very likely wouldn't.
Re: Kids being murdered
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:14 am
by ChorizO
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:36 pm
BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:35 pm
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:29 pm
There always seems to be inaction from all the different state agencies involved. We're a spineless country.
Well, lack of investment leading to lack of staff leading to staff burnout is a major contributor. Plus the previously mentioned blame culture prevalent in the Media leads to inaction as organisations are scared of getting it wrong - taking kids away too early, they get slammed - too late, dire consequences can occur as in this case. It’s almost a lose/lose for the agencies concerned.
Social workers have had insane caseloads for a decade and it's only got worse. Even if they were the best, most dedicated, effective and perceptive professionals out there, there's simply too many cases and too little time. Impossible job. Similar to housing officers, many instances were they just have too many tenants to be able to manage under any sane circumstances so it becomes inevitable that people fall through the net.
I was the housing rep for the local authority's MARAC DV meetings and the number of serious cases we saw where agencies turned up without a proper knowledge of where the cases and their clients were at was insane. Plod were the worst, regularly had no idea whether alleged perpetrators had been charged, remanded, had bail restrictions etc. Wasn't much joint working either, occasionally shared handy info with each other but too often became Social Services/the Police/supporting agencies just shrugging and looking at me asking "can't you just move them? That'll solve everything". Spoiler, it very likely wouldn't.
Yes, the whole ‘team around the child’ approach with some bodies pulling their hair out, whilst others give it lip service. An unfortunate oxymoron.
