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Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:33 am Actually, I do have a bit of a theory.

You're bang on that countries tend not to do this sort of thing for no advantage. And it's certainly curious that a country that is on the brink of becoming a failed state and with serious domestic problems to contend with would do this. But, given SA's history with apartheid, I remain open to the possibility that this is a principled stand. However, my instinct is to be cynical...

I think that by the end of this decade we'll see events, such as as the invasion of Ukraine and the 7th October Hamas attacks, as part of a wider emerging international coalition to challenge the post-WW2 world order. Either through direct action or through the use of proxies.

The key members of that coalition are already known; Iran, China, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela and Corbyn.

But there's a number of states which are still undecided on which side they will come down on. These include the likes of Turkey, Egypt, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brazil, various Arab states and South Africa. It's not outside the realms of possibility that SA is using this as an opportunity to do a bit of playing both sides. It's a move that will certainly please and amuse the axis of evil, whilst remaining within the rules of the game that doesn't see it ejected from the Western order.

Obviously, even if this is some sort of cynical play by South Africa, it doesn't necessarily mean that their case does not have merit. In fact, the more merit their case has, the more effective this move is.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:33 am Actually, I do have a bit of a theory.

You're bang on that countries tend not to do this sort of thing for no advantage. And it's certainly curious that a country that is on the brink of becoming a failed state and with serious domestic problems to contend with would do this. But, given SA's history with apartheid, I remain open to the possibility that this is a principled stand. However, my instinct is to be cynical...

I think that by the end of this decade we'll see events, such as as the invasion of Ukraine and the 7th October Hamas attacks, as part of a wider emerging international coalition to challenge the post-WW2 world order. Either through direct action or through the use of proxies.

The key members of that coalition are already known; Iran, China, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela and Corbyn.

But there's a number of states which are still undecided on which side they will come down on. These include the likes of Turkey, Egypt, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brazil, various Arab states and South Africa. It's not outside the realms of possibility that SA is using this as an opportunity to do a bit of playing both sides. It's a move that will certainly please and amuse the axis of evil, whilst remaining within the rules of the game that doesn't see it ejected from the Western order.

Obviously, even if this is some sort of cynical play by South Africa, it doesn't necessarily mean that their case does not have merit. In fact, the more merit their case has, the more effective this move is.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:15 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:33 am Actually, I do have a bit of a theory.

You're bang on that countries tend not to do this sort of thing for no advantage. And it's certainly curious that a country that is on the brink of becoming a failed state and with serious domestic problems to contend with would do this. But, given SA's history with apartheid, I remain open to the possibility that this is a principled stand. However, my instinct is to be cynical...

I think that by the end of this decade we'll see events, such as as the invasion of Ukraine and the 7th October Hamas attacks, as part of a wider emerging international coalition to challenge the post-WW2 world order. Either through direct action or through the use of proxies.

The key members of that coalition are already known; Iran, China, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela and Corbyn.

But there's a number of states which are still undecided on which side they will come down on. These include the likes of Turkey, Egypt, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brazil, various Arab states and South Africa. It's not outside the realms of possibility that SA is using this as an opportunity to do a bit of playing both sides. It's a move that will certainly please and amuse the axis of evil, whilst remaining within the rules of the game that doesn't see it ejected from the Western order.

Obviously, even if this is some sort of cynical play by South Africa, it doesn't necessarily mean that their case does not have merit. In fact, the more merit their case has, the more effective this move is.

Are Brazil goodies again now Lula is back in charge? Or does that make them baddies again/still because he's a Loony Bloody Lefty?!

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:31 pm It's not antisemitism. It's either a genuine principled stand or geopolitical manoeuvring.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:10 pm Seriously everyone, we need to stop the replies. Admit I'm as bad as anyone at getting drawn into it but if we ignore him he'll have to tire of this.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:10 pm Seriously everyone, we need to stop the replies. Admit I'm as bad as anyone at getting drawn into it but if we ignore him he'll have to tire of this.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:39 am Ah, South Africa has an election this year.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:57 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:39 am Ah, South Africa has an election this year.

LOL. That's going to be the Right Wing/Zionist default "hot take", isn't it?

Daily Express bot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:27 pm Why did they not take Russia to court over Ukraine?

I think the answer is , they are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. This is pure antisemitism. History repeating itself.