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Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:47 pm L2 players ?

We bought in L1 experienced players last year

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:42 pm Is the cry of the masses.

Today please be the day you realise
It's not our biggest problem

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:59 pm We need experience.

Brown, Galbraith and Ruel just getting bossed in the middle of the park by seasoned L1 pros.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:02 pm Maybe saving El Miz and Prat’s for Boxing Day……?

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:52 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:47 pm L2 players ?

We bought in L1 experienced players last year

Who are you referring to? Can't pick one solid, experienced L1 player in that squad outside of 39 year old Pratley and Graham.

Moncur has been shocking and Pigott is looking like the 2020's version of Michael Symes

Daily Express bot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:53 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:42 pm Is the cry of the masses.

Today please be the day you realise
It's not our biggest problem

What do you suggest is?

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:23 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:52 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:47 pm L2 players ?

We bought in L1 experienced players last year

Who are you referring to? Can't pick one solid, experienced L1 player in that squad outside of 39 year old Pratley and Graham.

Moncur has been shocking and Pigott is looking like the 2020's version of Michael Symes

Theo from L1 Lincoln
TJ had L1 experience R Hunt was L1
Moncur had championship etc.

I don't care what you see.
This is what we were told

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:50 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:23 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:52 pm

Who are you referring to? Can't pick one solid, experienced L1 player in that squad outside of 39 year old Pratley and Graham.

Moncur has been shocking and Pigott is looking like the 2020's version of Michael Symes

Theo from L1 Lincoln
TJ had L1 experience R Hunt was L1
Moncur had championship etc.

I don't care what you see.
This is what we were told

Those 3 were all deemed not good enough for L1 hence wouldn't count them. Moncur yes has been a huge disappointment.

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:58 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:50 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:23 pm

Theo from L1 Lincoln
TJ had L1 experience R Hunt was L1
Moncur had championship etc.

I don't care what you see.
This is what we were told

Those 3 were all deemed not good enough for L1 hence wouldn't count them. Moncur yes has been a huge disappointment.

Deemed not good enough by whom ?

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:19 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:58 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:50 pm

Those 3 were all deemed not good enough for L1 hence wouldn't count them. Moncur yes has been a huge disappointment.

Deemed not good enough by whom ?

The clubs who released them to us in the first place. Much like Drinan, released by L1 Ipswich to L2 Orient. Now we need to repeat the process.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:45 pm Needs a large scale squad rebuild as the L2 players haven't stepped up and relied on too many loan youths without any experience of the level.

Realistically need about 5 or 6 in the window and as many going out the door but with our recruitment committee working at the usual snail pace can't see it happening

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:30 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:19 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:58 pm

Deemed not good enough by whom ?

The clubs who released them to us in the first place. Much like Drinan, released by L1 Ipswich to L2 Orient. Now we need to repeat the process.

Drinan was under, Jackett, please keep up.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:41 pm You expect us to sign 18 players in the space of about 6 months? When does this ever happen?

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:47 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:30 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:19 pm

The clubs who released them to us in the first place. Much like Drinan, released by L1 Ipswich to L2 Orient. Now we need to repeat the process.

Drinan was under, Jackett, please keep up.

Doesn't matter, point is L2 standard players need to be moved on and that needs to start big time in January. Squad isn't good enough for this level, too many passengers including ones they have contracts to over summer.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:41 pm You expect us to sign 18 players in the space of about 6 months? When does this ever happen?

Want to stay in L1 and move upwards? That what needs doing. Given the number of loan players too those will need swapping out too come end of the season. Can count on fingers of one hand those who look comfortable at this level.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:03 pm I actually think that if we sign a winger and a striker, it will keep us up this season, and that's the main aim, but, the two players MUST be quality.... No cheapies, from league 2 clubs, if they are really decent players, they'll keep us up.
I realise they won't come cheap, but if you want to own a football club in 2023, then you have to be very rich, and our directors are.
In the summer we can add to the squad, and gradually get better, but for now it's about still being in this league after the final game

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:11 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:47 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:30 pm

Drinan was under, Jackett, please keep up.

Doesn't matter, point is L2 standard players need to be moved on and that needs to start big time in January. Squad isn't good enough for this level, too many passengers including ones they have contracts to over summer.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:41 pm You expect us to sign 18 players in the space of about 6 months? When does this ever happen?

Want to stay in L1 and move upwards? That what needs doing. Given the number of loan players too those will need swapping out too come end of the season. Can count on fingers of one hand those who look comfortable at this level.

Talking like an absolute clown & doesn't
Understand how contracts & players work .
I thought you knew better Mr Shaw

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:47 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:30 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:19 pm

The clubs who released them to us in the first place. Much like Drinan, released by L1 Ipswich to L2 Orient. Now we need to repeat the process.

Drinan was under, Jackett, please keep up.

Doesn't matter, point is L2 standard players need to be moved on and that needs to start big time in January. Squad isn't good enough for this level, too many passengers including ones they have contracts to over summer.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:41 pm You expect us to sign 18 players in the space of about 6 months? When does this ever happen?

Want to stay in L1 and move upwards? That what needs doing. Given the number of loan players too those will need swapping out too come end of the season. Can count on fingers of one hand those who look comfortable at this level.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:20 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:11 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:47 pm

Doesn't matter, point is L2 standard players need to be moved on and that needs to start big time in January. Squad isn't good enough for this level, too many passengers including ones they have contracts to over summer.



Want to stay in L1 and move upwards? That what needs doing. Given the number of loan players too those will need swapping out too come end of the season. Can count on fingers of one hand those who look comfortable at this level.

Talking like an absolute clown & doesn't
Understand how contracts & players work .
I thought you knew better Mr Shaw

I get contracts and also get we have a fair few who are up in summer, at this point I don't think we'll want to be renewing any of them...

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:27 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:47 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:30 pm

Drinan was under, Jackett, please keep up.

Doesn't matter, point is L2 standard players need to be moved on and that needs to start big time in January. Squad isn't good enough for this level, too many passengers including ones they have contracts to over summer.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:41 pm You expect us to sign 18 players in the space of about 6 months? When does this ever happen?

Want to stay in L1 and move upwards? That what needs doing. Given the number of loan players too those will need swapping out too come end of the season. Can count on fingers of one hand those who look comfortable at this level.

We need 2-3 players to stay up. You can then do a bigger rebuild job in the summer. Replacing an entire squad when it'd just win the league would have tanked morale, meant no-one would've been up to speed with how we played and wouldn't have even been feasible with the contracts in place.

It isn't football manager, you need to have an element of realism about how much turnover is feasible.