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Is he the best player in the world atm?

Phenomenal talent and only turned 20 in June

He appears to be level-headed and a good role-model, too.

He's brilliant.

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:12 am Is he the best player in the world atm?

Phenomenal talent and only turned 20 in June

I think he probably is. Early days at Real but right now he's consistently outstanding at the highest level.

He’s got everything. There’s something about the way he plays that’s like he’s enthusiastically helping out with something he finds enjoyable. Brilliant player.

Don't worry, Southgate or the media will find a way to blunt him. At the moment he's razor sharp.

dearie me

Absolutely ripping it up at Real, a club where the pressure and expectation is unreal.

It’s immensely impressive considering his age. Has the potential to have a legendary career.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:22 am Don't worry, Southgate or the media will find a way to blunt him. At the moment he's razor sharp.

Hasn't he actually been quite good for England? And how will Southgate or the British media affect his performances under Carlo Ancelotti in La Liga?

He’s very good but he’s not even the best midfielder at Real

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:15 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:22 am Don't worry, Southgate or the media will find a way to blunt him. At the moment he's razor sharp.

Hasn't he actually been quite good for England? And how will Southgate or the British media affect his performances under Carlo Ancelotti in La Liga?

He's always been one of the better players on the pitch when he's played for England, IMO. There's something about him that makes me think he has potential way above and beyond most players that occasionally get hyped as the next great hope.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm He’s very good but he’s not even the best midfielder at Real

Not even? He's only 20 years old.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:36 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm He’s very good but he’s not even the best midfielder at Real

Not even? He's only 20 years old.

And? How can he be the best player in the world if his midfield team mates are better than him?

Saw him for the first time last night in the Scotland friendly. Have to say, he was hugely impressive and certainly lived up to the hype

such maturity - hope he stays injury free

interesting question - what make a professional footballer one of the elite? How important is temperament in the modern game?

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:45 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:36 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm He’s very good but he’s not even the best midfielder at Real

Not even? He's only 20 years old.

And? How can he be the best player in the world if his midfield team mates are better than him?

I think what people are getting at is he's on course to be the best in the world . He's only 20 so has time on his side .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:11 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:45 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:36 pm

Not even? He's only 20 years old.

And? How can he be the best player in the world if his midfield team mates are better than him?

I think what people are getting at is he's on course to be the best in the world . He's only 20 so has time on his side .

He may be the best 20 year old in the world.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:22 am Don't worry, Southgate or the media will find a way to blunt him. At the moment he's razor sharp.

I agree mate however it’s good to see an English talent get praised actually when looking at the whole squad we have a wealth of good players and we should have picked up a tittle by now,but there’s only one thing stopping us unfortunately

We've had very few genuinely world class players over the past decade but Bellingham, Kane, Walker and arguably Saka, Stones, James ,(when fit) and Rice fall into that category. Problem remains the lack of genuinely top quality deeper lying midfielders to dictate games, which is why Phillips is still getting called up, and centre backs.

Have always been a Southgate fan but am finding his refusal to drop Henderson and Maguire baffling. Even accepting they play in our weakest positions, they should be nowhere near the team.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:54 am We've had very few genuinely world class players over the past decade but Bellingham, Kane, Walker and arguably Saka, Stones, James ,(when fit) and Rice fall into that category. Problem remains the lack of genuinely top quality deeper lying midfielders to dictate games, which is why Phillips is still getting called up, and centre backs.

Have always been a Southgate fan but am finding his refusal to drop Henderson and Maguire baffling. Even accepting they play in our weakest positions, they should be nowhere near the team.

If only pep Guardiola had this team Mistadobalina

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:51 pm He’s very good but he’s not even the best midfielder at Real

Who's better?

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:54 am We've had very few genuinely world class players over the past decade but Bellingham, Kane, Walker and arguably Saka, Stones, James ,(when fit) and Rice fall into that category. Problem remains the lack of genuinely top quality deeper lying midfielders to dictate games, which is why Phillips is still getting called up, and centre backs.

Have always been a Southgate fan but am finding his refusal to drop Henderson and Maguire baffling. Even accepting they play in our weakest positions, they should be nowhere near the team.

Hard to disagree and I think that the penny is dropping with Southgate. Without them we are more fluid.

I can see why he's been loyal. Neither have ever let us down and have been mainstays of the team for a while. Its just that their time has come - certainly when it comes to the starting 11. I can imagine both having roles to play next summer depending on our circumstances.

Feel for Maguire as he's done nothing to deserve the level of flack that he gets, but our starting centre back shouldn't be a guy who's 5th choice at any club. Tomori, Guehi, Dunk, Colwill and White are all clearly better options.

There was a good article in the guardian the other day about how playing Maguire forces the England midfield to not press well because the defence has to play quite low to account for Maguire's lack of pace and mobility. I get the idea that he's good in the air and a set piece threat but we have the players to dominate games now and shouldn't be playing to accommodate the weaknesses of a solid but limited defender.

I think Graeme Souness hit the nail on the head when he said England play with the handbrake on when Southgates in charge

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:24 am I think Graeme Souness hit the nail on the head when he said England play with the handbrake on when Southgates in charge

I thought exactly the same and as you wrote ''Graeme Souness hit the nail on the head''
Leaving aside the debate on Maguire, what a player this Lewis Dunk is and with him to call on, well who needs Harry Maguire !
Same question can be asked as to why with the many talented midfielders Southgate has at his disposal, why does he keeps clinging onto Jordan Henderson ?