Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:44 pm To all moaners
Reading some of the comments on this Forum is so depressing. Our new owners have turned the club around from almost guaranteed bankruptcy to League One via two promotions as Champions in the space of six years. They have invested heavily and improved the stadium and fan experience.

Yet some fans clearly think they know better and have no qualms about telling everyone to do with the club where they have gone wrong and just to put more and more money in. Nigel and Kent saved our club, but they also have other interests away from football and how they spend their money is non of your business. Do you really want to join the corrupt Premiership with their ridiculous pay structure and ludicrous ticket charges?

By all means have an opinion, but criticising everything and slagging off players is just plain stupid. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine explaining to your children the negative and often offensive comments against you that can be seen by anyone.

Might I suggest you occasionally think of others and support the club from the stands, appreciate the successes, and thank the owners that you still have a club in E10

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:39 am F or F
Why not just take the club over as you have this fantastic ability and insight to achieve utopia. You would then accept criticism, how ever hurtful or untrue, and not worry about the effect on your family or friends. By all means be as arrogant and obnoxious as you wish, after all, we do live in a democracy. Your inept response and comments about reckless defensive howlers, horrendous examples are just that, pathetic and sad, as if issued from a lower part of your anatomy rather than any grey matter you may have.

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:44 pm To all moaners
Reading some of the comments on this Forum is so depressing. Our new owners have turned the club around from almost guaranteed bankruptcy to League One via two promotions as Champions in the space of six years. They have invested heavily and improved the stadium and fan experience.

Yet some fans clearly think they know better and have no qualms about telling everyone to do with the club where they have gone wrong and just to put more and more money in. Nigel and Kent saved our club, but they also have other interests away from football and how they spend their money is non of your business. Do you really want to join the corrupt Premiership with their ridiculous pay structure and ludicrous ticket charges?

By all means have an opinion, but criticising everything and slagging off players is just plain stupid. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine explaining to your children the negative and often offensive comments against you that can be seen by anyone.

Might I suggest you occasionally think of others and support the club from the stands, appreciate the successes, and thank the owners that you still have a club in E10

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:12 am

Winchestorfan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:44 pm To all moaners
Reading some of the comments on this Forum is so depressing. Our new owners have turned the club around from almost guaranteed bankruptcy to League One via two promotions as Champions in the space of six years. They have invested heavily and improved the stadium and fan experience.

Yet some fans clearly think they know better and have no qualms about telling everyone to do with the club where they have gone wrong and just to put more and more money in. Nigel and Kent saved our club, but they also have other interests away from football and how they spend their money is non of your business. Do you really want to join the corrupt Premiership with their ridiculous pay structure and ludicrous ticket charges?

By all means have an opinion, but criticising everything and slagging off players is just plain stupid. Put yourself in their shoes and imagine explaining to your children the negative and often offensive comments against you that can be seen by anyone.

Might I suggest you occasionally think of others and support the club from the stands, appreciate the successes, and thank the owners that you still have a club in E10

Same old, same old.......What's happened in the past is past, gone. Everyone is still very much appreciative of our owners and what they have done for our club so I don't know what your yarping on about there ? Criticism is part of the game, what do you expect ? We've opened the season with four defeats on the trot..

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:36 am Perish the thought some people want to talk about the football and yes when you lose (and lose badly) that discussion won't be sunshine and rainbows. If some people had their way there would be no sports pages in the paper, no pundits, just clapping and singing.

Along that 6 year plan the owners did need some pressure from fans along the way to change direction or we'd still be watching Embleton in the lower echelons of League 2.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:40 am
Wellens isn't one of them yet but sometimes managers can't get a tune out of a set of players and need to be moved on. Not saying that time has come but we are headed in that direction at the moment.

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:56 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:40 am
Wellens isn't one of them yet but sometimes managers can't get a tune out of a set of players and need to be moved on. Not saying that time has come but we are headed in that direction at the moment.

I don't think we're anywhere near that point despite the poor start and one thing I hope the fanbase does have in common is faith in RW.

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:56 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:40 am
Wellens isn't one of them yet but sometimes managers can't get a tune out of a set of players and need to be moved on. Not saying that time has come but we are headed in that direction at the moment.

I don't think we're anywhere near that point despite the poor start and one thing I hope the fanbase does have in common is faith in RW.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:07 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:56 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:40 am
Wellens isn't one of them yet but sometimes managers can't get a tune out of a set of players and need to be moved on. Not saying that time has come but we are headed in that direction at the moment.

I don't think we're anywhere near that point despite the poor start and one thing I hope the fanbase does have in common is faith in RW.

Some good points on here by several people,not going to criticise the club to much after all we did well last season and the fixtures have been unkind but Richie has found it hard in this league before with different teams. Because of the way we played last season doesn’t mean we can play the same this one. He has to address certain problems within the set up and be prepared to change track,being formation or the style of play. I’m sure he will. But one thing is sure if we don’t get points on the board soon the moral and confidence will have evaporated and then we really will be in the brown stuff,fact

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:56 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:40 am
Wellens isn't one of them yet but sometimes managers can't get a tune out of a set of players and need to be moved on. Not saying that time has come but we are headed in that direction at the moment.

I don't think we're anywhere near that point despite the poor start and one thing I hope the fanbase does have in common is faith in RW.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:36 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:56 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:40 am
Wellens isn't one of them yet but sometimes managers can't get a tune out of a set of players and need to be moved on. Not saying that time has come but we are headed in that direction at the moment.

I don't think we're anywhere near that point despite the poor start and one thing I hope the fanbase does have in common is faith in RW.

I hope so too, but some berk has already started a thread called "Wellens gone by Xmas" and I've seen comments elsewhere about his ability to manage in league one. Absolutely idiotic, especially after 3 league games.

Jman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:44 pm Poor start in a harder league but there are so many mitigating factors to this.

- Very tough start on paper, including a terrible away cup draw against a much stronger side, that only served to dent confidence. Very long journey there and back.
- Lost arguably 2 best players last season, got replacements in for them both, only for both to then start season injured.
- Outside of the above, enormous injury list that just keeps growing.
- Well in the game at Wycombe, only for a red card to completely derail us.

Sure, it's not been good enough but the Opening Post is spot on. We're one of the best run clubs in the league and the way the ownership has turned the Orient ship around in 6 years is incredible. It's not always going to be rosy and criticisms are fair and just, but a couple of August results after a wonderful promotion shouldn't scupper the bigger picture.