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Seems its happened again in the
GOOD OL U.S of A

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49147369

3 dead 11 injured .

Thought it was on iow for a moment

Can I just clarify with West Side Story if people can post about
1. Garlic
Or
2. Festivals
Or
3. Events in USA
Or
4. Shootings
Or
5. Gun ownership

I wouldn't like to be accused of twisting this thread

Vampires

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:05 pm Can I just clarify with West Side Story if people can post about
1. Garlic
Or
2. Festivals
Or
3. Events in USA
Or
4. Shootings
Or
5. Gun ownership

I wouldn't like to be accused of twisting this thread

20 dead & 26 injured in El Paso Texas.

Shocking as it should be , it no longer is .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49221936

Cue lots of Brits commenting on gun laws and not understanding the history between Americans and gun ownership. Tea is known to kill an unknown percentage of Indian workers every year but do the yanks comment about our drinking habits? No.

Message to Spen 69 ( excuse my thread twisting- but we all have our little pecadillos )- At least I seem to be have some limited effect on you, if you are engaging your brain and using some of your thought processes before posting.
Back to the point, one wonders, just how many people in the USA have to be killed, before they start to question their love affair with guns and do something about this awful slaughter.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:50 am ....
Back to the point, one wonders, just how many people in the USA have to be killed, before they start to question their love affair with guns and do something about this awful slaughter.

Guns don't kill people.....people kill people

Things like these mass shootings are examples of why you need less gun control so that the public can defend themselves from such assailants

And many other statements from the pro gun nuts will be trotted out

There gun laws are only meant to be a form of defence against militia.

It was this way until in 1977. The rifle association had a coup and they pressed to change the meaning of the 2nd amendment(not sure if this the correct number). They broke the sentence down and this changed the meaning, which as in the US went into the courts to ratify. Prior to this the Rifle association worked with the government to try to prevent the types of atrocities that we now see.

The Rifle Association was set up in 1877 (?) to improve the shooting ability of the army and then the general population. This they did because of the poor ability of marksman.

But it has proved to be a very useful tool for population control. I think the average number of deaths from gins is over 30,000 a year over the last 50 years.

But I understand if you resist arrest and are shot by the police, this is considered suicide!

Jon Sopel the BBC American correspondent wrote an excellent book on America called "If only they did not speak English"

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:28 am

But it has proved to be a very useful tool for population control. I think the average number of deaths from gins is over 30,000 a year over the last 50 years

Prohibition was a life saver! If you are talking about those flavoured gins then not surprised really. Bloody rhubarb and ginger!!! Yuck. Best stick with the London gin, dryer the better. Maybe it’s not gins but the tonic???

Beradogs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:46 am Cue lots of Brits commenting on gun laws and not understanding the history between Americans and gun ownership. Tea is known to kill an unknown percentage of Indian workers every year but do the yanks comment about our drinking habits? No.

There's reaching and then there's a comment like this.

Texas unfortunately has a huge problem with guns and with racism, it's like a not so micro microcosm of the entire country. You can understand that Americans have made the implicit decision that atrocities like this and the Ohio shooting are a price worth paying for mass, unregulated gun ownership, and still think it's appalling that thousands of people needlessly die because of that choice.

nothing will change, no matter how many of these mass killing/shooting incidents they have

America is one screwed up country

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:12 am nothing will change, no matter how many of these mass killing/shooting incidents they have

America is one screwed up country

Agree with you on this one

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:45 am

Beradogs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:46 am Cue lots of Brits commenting on gun laws and not understanding the history between Americans and gun ownership. Tea is known to kill an unknown percentage of Indian workers every year but do the yanks comment about our drinking habits? No.

There's reaching and then there's a comment like this.

Texas unfortunately has a huge problem with guns and with racism, it's like a not so micro microcosm of the entire country. You can understand that Americans have made the implicit decision that atrocities like this and the Ohio shooting are a price worth paying for mass, unregulated gun ownership, and still think it's appalling that thousands of people needlessly die because of that choice.

Beradogs with his usual splatter of cow sh*t

Seems another mass shooting has happened in Dayton Ohio
Reports are saying 9 people have lost there lives so far

The police shot him dead 1 minute after opening fire
Yet 9 dead & 24 injured .

Shocking what ever stupidity people claim about americas history with there guns

Trump says only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun- Trouble is with this theory, is that he has to wade through a mountain of dead bodies to get at the bad guy ( & that assumes that he doesn't kill a few more good guys in the process )

The Walmart shooting is the 251st occasion this year where a good guy with a gun has failed to stop a bad guy with a gun before he's managed to kill multiple people.

I'm starting to think that the "good guy with a gun" argument is just a load of bollocks.

Technically right isn't he? surely would take the goodies longer to apprehend the suspect if they didn't have guns?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:07 pm Technically right isn't he? surely would take the goodies longer to apprehend the suspect if they didn't have guns?

I think the point is that “goodies” are rare, and in most cases don’t have guns.

Also, basing a society on trigger happy vigilante interventionism really is asking for trouble.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:46 am Cue lots of Brits commenting on gun laws and not understanding the history between Americans and gun ownership. Tea is known to kill an unknown percentage of Indian workers every year but do the yanks comment about our drinking habits? No.

Not to mention deaths, sickness and injuries in the clothing and associated industries. Deaths on the roads, etc. We are becoming almost immune to it all.