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Oh my - and just a comment on the time-keeping - are we going to see 10 mins or more of added time in the second half as the norm? I think we will.

https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2023/ ... cials-to-/

Hope not, it's OK when it affects matches you're watching on telly but not when I'm hoping to make a quick getaway after the game.

Can't fault this really.

It would be easier just to stop the clock, though.

All common sense. The amount of times you see 6 subs in the 2nd half and a couple of goals and then 2 mins added on is ridiculous

Max Fowler wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:12 am Can't fault this really.

It would be easier just to stop the clock, though.

A red card and penalty for holding in the box. I will believe it when I see it.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:11 pm A red card and penalty for holding in the box. I will believe it when I see it.

Yes I agree, be interesting if they really do implement it which I doubt but we could be witnessing 20 penalties per game,plus 30 minutes added time. Never going to happen

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:27 pm

DrWindy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:11 pm A red card and penalty for holding in the box. I will believe it when I see it.

Yes I agree, be interesting if they really do implement it which I doubt but we could be witnessing 20 penalties per game,plus 30 minutes added time. Never going to happen

I genuinely hope they do something. It’s got out of control over the last few years. Not sure a red card is required. If a penalty is awarded it would soon stop. Can’t see it happening but let’s see.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:11 pm A red card and penalty for holding in the box.

That's hardcore defending - I've only ever really seen them grab around the waist.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:46 am Hope not, it's OK when it affects matches you're watching on telly but not when I'm hoping to make a quick getaway after the game.

If you’re that worried about getting home, leave early or don’t go

Story of O wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:00 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:46 am Hope not, it's OK when it affects matches you're watching on telly but not when I'm hoping to make a quick getaway after the game.

If you’re that worried about getting home, leave early or don’t go

Always thought the leave early brigade were a bit weird.

Story of O wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:00 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:46 am Hope not, it's OK when it affects matches you're watching on telly but not when I'm hoping to make a quick getaway after the game.

If you’re that worried about getting home, leave early or don’t go

Great advice, thanks

DrWindy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:11 pm A red card and penalty for holding in the box. I will believe it when I see it.

Anyone paying attention the last few years would see that the directives given to referees are absolutely acted upon, often in a way that seems extreme.
This is a welcome directive, and the first week or two of the season will probably see a record number of penalties until players catch on

Story of O wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:00 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:46 am Hope not, it's OK when it affects matches you're watching on telly but not when I'm hoping to make a quick getaway after the game.

If you’re that worried about getting home, leave early or don’t go

But as a season ticket holder if he doesn't go won't he then get shamed by all the real fans(tm)?

I make my kids sit through the games so an extra twenty mins is just punishing them even further.

I'd take 30 mins each way with the clock stopped. You'd get the same amount of current football but also get it wrapped up in under 2 hours.

What I’d be interested in the mean time is this: running the game time as planned for this season, but the actual times that the referee stops his watch, and the duration of the stops is recorded, and this information is public after the match concludes. The referee has to clarify/explain if the added time doesn’t agree with the time lost. Run this for a trial period before deciding what steps to take next

According to that, if a player is injured because of a foul (but not one deemed worthy of a card), the injured player has to receive treatment off the field, and cannot re-enter the field of play for at least 30 seconds. That seems to penalise the innocent party.

Perhaps the guilty party should also leave the field of play for 30 seconds?

Carl Brook (the referee at Gillingham) will be required to use common sense. This will be vey challenging for him as he hasnt got any common sense

Real Al wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:14 pm According to that, if a player is injured because of a foul (but not one deemed worthy of a card), the injured player has to receive treatment off the field, and cannot re-enter the field of play for at least 30 seconds. That seems to penalise the innocent party.

Perhaps the guilty party should also leave the field of play for 30 seconds?

In practice, a player who is actually injured will be out of action for at least thirty seconds anyway, so the impact of this rule will be negligible, but will mean that faking an injury could backfire on the player doing it.

I do agree that something should happen to address a team being at a numerical disadvantage due to a foul on them though

EliotNes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:45 am Oh my - and just a comment on the time-keeping - are we going to see 10 mins or more of added time in the second half as the norm? I think we will.

https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2023/ ... cials-to-/

More meddling can only lead to
More mistakes

DrWindy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:11 pm A red card and penalty for holding in the box. I will believe it when I see it.

In the perennial backwater of Scotch football at the beginning of the season a few years back they decided refs should enforce for the penalty box holding shenanigans.

It was quickly abandoned after one ref ( I think Willie Young) gave four penalties in one game for said offence.

Looks like we can still play the "injured goalkeeper" ruse to break up the play though. I hope Brynn has been inducted into the dark arts as well as we did with Vigs

Real Al wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:14 pm According to that, if a player is injured because of a foul (but not one deemed worthy of a card), the injured player has to receive treatment off the field, and cannot re-enter the field of play for at least 30 seconds. That seems to penalise the innocent party.

Perhaps the guilty party should also leave the field of play for 30 seconds?

Indeed, a quick foul on a defender before a corner to get them down to 10 men and then take advantage of the extra player seems like a potential tactic for this

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:33 pm Carl Brook (the referee at Gillingham) will be required to use common sense. This will be vey challenging for him as he hasnt got any common sense

On this topic does that mean that Omar would not have been sent of at Gills under these rules or is it different outside the box? Same applies to Ogie at Mansfield - were both proper challenges for the ball. I'm guessing not....