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ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:22 pm McCart gave away a free kick with a needless and latent obstruction - they scored from the free kick and we went into panic mode afterwards.
So, giving him such a high mark is ridiculous

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:29 pm Have the commentators heard of the commentators curse. Laughing and joking about how it’s all so easy. Some other plum talking about 5-0. It’s not the first time. This is professional football. It’s not easy.
Vigouroux. 6. No chance with the goals. Distribution wasn’t great.
Hunt. 6. Great defender. Limited going forward.
Mccart. 7. Our best defender and had a really solid game. Strong in the air and decent on the ball. Some crunching tackles.
Beccles. 6. Nothing much to do aside from see the ball fly into the net. Twice.
Sweeney. 5.5. It’s probably his age and inexperience but when we start to panic he’s usually at the heart of it. Great player on a flat wicket. Needs to calm down when it gets on top.
El Miz. 6.5. Decent first half. Got bogged down along with everyone else in the second.
Brown. 6. Let our flair players play in the first half then started to get overrun in the second when our flair players stopped tracking back.
Moncor. 7 Joy to watch in the first half. Like a couple of our players, not happy when you have to dig in and defend.
Sadlier. 5.5. Another who hates it when he is going backwards rather than forwards.
Smyth. 7.5. First half was thrilling to watch. He must have put in 4 balls across the box that just required a tap in. Held up better than most in the second and always a threat.
Ruel MOM 7.5. Ruel can have MOM for 2 goals and general nuisance value.

Subs. 6.

Wellens. 6. Only the very best can play the beautiful game for the full 90 minutes week in and week out. We are not the very best, sometimes you have to scrap and fight and that’s an area we need to address before next season. It’s astonishing how quickly we can go from complete control to complete panic.

Harrogate. 6. Abysmal first half but some decent stuff in the second. RW will say it was another team with nothing to lose and hence why they could attack with abandon but it was more than that. Takes guts to face relegation from the football league away at the league leaders and continue to play.

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:22 pm McCart gave away a free kick with a needless and latent obstruction - they scored from the free kick and we went into panic mode afterwards.
So, giving him such a high mark is ridiculous

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:29 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:29 pm Have the commentators heard of the commentators curse. Laughing and joking about how it’s all so easy. Some other plum talking about 5-0. It’s not the first time. This is professional football. It’s not easy.
Vigouroux. 6. No chance with the goals. Distribution wasn’t great.
Hunt. 6. Great defender. Limited going forward.
Mccart. 7. Our best defender and had a really solid game. Strong in the air and decent on the ball. Some crunching tackles.
Beccles. 6. Nothing much to do aside from see the ball fly into the net. Twice.
Sweeney. 5.5. It’s probably his age and inexperience but when we start to panic he’s usually at the heart of it. Great player on a flat wicket. Needs to calm down when it gets on top.
El Miz. 6.5. Decent first half. Got bogged down along with everyone else in the second.
Brown. 6. Let our flair players play in the first half then started to get overrun in the second when our flair players stopped tracking back.
Moncor. 7 Joy to watch in the first half. Like a couple of our players, not happy when you have to dig in and defend.
Sadlier. 5.5. Another who hates it when he is going backwards rather than forwards.
Smyth. 7.5. First half was thrilling to watch. He must have put in 4 balls across the box that just required a tap in. Held up better than most in the second and always a threat.
Ruel MOM 7.5. Ruel can have MOM for 2 goals and general nuisance value.

Subs. 6.

Wellens. 6. Only the very best can play the beautiful game for the full 90 minutes week in and week out. We are not the very best, sometimes you have to scrap and fight and that’s an area we need to address before next season. It’s astonishing how quickly we can go from complete control to complete panic.

Harrogate. 6. Abysmal first half but some decent stuff in the second. RW will say it was another team with nothing to lose and hence why they could attack with abandon but it was more than that. Takes guts to face relegation from the football league away at the league leaders and continue to play.

You must have been watching a different McCart to the one I was watching .

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:33 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:29 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:29 pm Have the commentators heard of the commentators curse. Laughing and joking about how it’s all so easy. Some other plum talking about 5-0. It’s not the first time. This is professional football. It’s not easy.
Vigouroux. 6. No chance with the goals. Distribution wasn’t great.
Hunt. 6. Great defender. Limited going forward.
Mccart. 7. Our best defender and had a really solid game. Strong in the air and decent on the ball. Some crunching tackles.
Beccles. 6. Nothing much to do aside from see the ball fly into the net. Twice.
Sweeney. 5.5. It’s probably his age and inexperience but when we start to panic he’s usually at the heart of it. Great player on a flat wicket. Needs to calm down when it gets on top.
El Miz. 6.5. Decent first half. Got bogged down along with everyone else in the second.
Brown. 6. Let our flair players play in the first half then started to get overrun in the second when our flair players stopped tracking back.
Moncor. 7 Joy to watch in the first half. Like a couple of our players, not happy when you have to dig in and defend.
Sadlier. 5.5. Another who hates it when he is going backwards rather than forwards.
Smyth. 7.5. First half was thrilling to watch. He must have put in 4 balls across the box that just required a tap in. Held up better than most in the second and always a threat.
Ruel MOM 7.5. Ruel can have MOM for 2 goals and general nuisance value.

Subs. 6.

Wellens. 6. Only the very best can play the beautiful game for the full 90 minutes week in and week out. We are not the very best, sometimes you have to scrap and fight and that’s an area we need to address before next season. It’s astonishing how quickly we can go from complete control to complete panic.

Harrogate. 6. Abysmal first half but some decent stuff in the second. RW will say it was another team with nothing to lose and hence why they could attack with abandon but it was more than that. Takes guts to face relegation from the football league away at the league leaders and continue to play.

You must have been watching a different McCart to the one I was watching .

Must have done. Mccart played well today. Or put it this way, he was miles better than Beccles and Sweeney.

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:31 pm Please please get rid of Dave Victor & co at the end of the season. They did similar in the previous game joking about how the opposition couldn't score from a corner et voila

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:29 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:29 pm Have the commentators heard of the commentators curse. Laughing and joking about how it’s all so easy. Some other plum talking about 5-0. It’s not the first time. This is professional football. It’s not easy.
Vigouroux. 6. No chance with the goals. Distribution wasn’t great.
Hunt. 6. Great defender. Limited going forward.
Mccart. 7. Our best defender and had a really solid game. Strong in the air and decent on the ball. Some crunching tackles.
Beccles. 6. Nothing much to do aside from see the ball fly into the net. Twice.
Sweeney. 5.5. It’s probably his age and inexperience but when we start to panic he’s usually at the heart of it. Great player on a flat wicket. Needs to calm down when it gets on top.
El Miz. 6.5. Decent first half. Got bogged down along with everyone else in the second.
Brown. 6. Let our flair players play in the first half then started to get overrun in the second when our flair players stopped tracking back.
Moncor. 7 Joy to watch in the first half. Like a couple of our players, not happy when you have to dig in and defend.
Sadlier. 5.5. Another who hates it when he is going backwards rather than forwards.
Smyth. 7.5. First half was thrilling to watch. He must have put in 4 balls across the box that just required a tap in. Held up better than most in the second and always a threat.
Ruel MOM 7.5. Ruel can have MOM for 2 goals and general nuisance value.

Subs. 6.

Wellens. 6. Only the very best can play the beautiful game for the full 90 minutes week in and week out. We are not the very best, sometimes you have to scrap and fight and that’s an area we need to address before next season. It’s astonishing how quickly we can go from complete control to complete panic.

Harrogate. 6. Abysmal first half but some decent stuff in the second. RW will say it was another team with nothing to lose and hence why they could attack with abandon but it was more than that. Takes guts to face relegation from the football league away at the league leaders and continue to play.

You must have been watching a different McCart to the one I was watching .

Loyal_Supporter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:31 pm Please please get rid of Dave Victor & co at the end of the season. They did similar in the previous game joking about how the opposition couldn't score from a corner et voila

99% in tbe South Stand bar were singing 'to League 1, we're on our way' and joking about how crap Harrogate were at HT....as they did against Colchester. Shall we get rid of them too?

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:42 pm

Loyal_Supporter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:31 pm Please please get rid of Dave Victor & co at the end of the season. They did similar in the previous game joking about how the opposition couldn't score from a corner et voila

99% in tbe South Stand bar were singing 'to League 1, we're on our way' and joking about how crap Harrogate were at HT....as they did against Colchester. Shall we get rid of them too?

They're not employed by the club, slight difference but equally complacent. Some people never learn.

Loyal_Supporter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:51 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:42 pm

Loyal_Supporter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm

99% in tbe South Stand bar were singing 'to League 1, we're on our way' and joking about how crap Harrogate were at HT....as they did against Colchester. Shall we get rid of them too?

They're not employed by the club, slight difference but equally complacent. Some people never learn.

Aye, some people never learn indeed.

Greenwich Orient wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:53 pm Good news: strikers scoring goals again

Bad news: we were utter s*** in the second half and missed an opportunity to pull away from the playoffs.

Still, that first 45 minutes of football was an absolute joy. I still can’t believe Paul Smyth is playing League 2 football. That guy is absolutely unbelievable. Great to see Moncur starting to have the effect on games we all expected him to from the start of the season, too.

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:13 pm Impossible to put up a meaningful set of ratings after that. The first 45 minutes was brilliant. You have to remind yourself you're watching Orient playing division 4 football at times, we could have had 5. The second 45 was nothing of the sort.

Main observations:

Moncur can joke about his gut all he likes if he plays for a whole game like he did in the first half. But yet again he goes missing after the break because he's carrying around a stone - stone a half excess flab and is shagged. That's not acceptable for a professional footballer.

McCarthorse is not a L2 standard defender. willy keeps saying how brilliant he looks in training pinging the ball around from the back and I bet he does when everyone else is holding back and only operating at 80%. But as soon as you put him into a proper competitive environment, he comes up massively short. I feel so sorry and disappointed for both Thompson and Ogie.

I don't know what to do with Ruel. He has to play just because of his ridiculous habit of scoring goals, but he can't play the front man on his own and he's not a wide man either. He needs to be in a pair, or could arguably play as a really offensive 10, but needs a much more creative 8 than Pratley or Clay in behind him.

Finally, the pricks that booed at the end can do one.

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:13 pm Impossible to put up a meaningful set of ratings after that. The first 45 minutes was brilliant. You have to remind yourself you're watching Orient playing division 4 football at times, we could have had 5. The second 45 was nothing of the sort.

Main observations:

Moncur can joke about his gut all he likes if he plays for a whole game like he did in the first half. But yet again he goes missing after the break because he's carrying around a stone - stone a half excess flab and is shagged. That's not acceptable for a professional footballer.

McCarthorse is not a L2 standard defender. willy keeps saying how brilliant he looks in training pinging the ball around from the back and I bet he does when everyone else is holding back and only operating at 80%. But as soon as you put him into a proper competitive environment, he comes up massively short. I feel so sorry and disappointed for both Thompson and Ogie.

I don't know what to do with Ruel. He has to play just because of his ridiculous habit of scoring goals, but he can't play the front man on his own and he's not a wide man either. He needs to be in a pair, or could arguably play as a really offensive 10, but needs a much more creative 8 than Pratley or Clay in behind him.

Finally, the pricks that booed at the end can do one.

ContrifibulatoryFred wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:19 pm I do agree that Beckles and Sweeney had below par performances today. I am not saying McCart was worse than them but from my view of the game he certainly wasn’t better and definitely not worthy of the mark usually reliable Mr Beradogs awarded him.