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Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:13 pm
by Thor
Nicky Butt has been arrested on suspicion of assault after an alleged domestic incident against a women this afternoon and remains in custody waiting to be interviewed by Police.

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:03 pm
by Sid Bishop
Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes, both in the news today for the wrong reasons, both directors of Salford City !!

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:22 am
by Howling Mad Murdock
Hi Sid me old mate and welcome back!

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:50 am
by point nine one eight
Sid Bishop wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:03 pm Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes, both in the news today for the wrong reasons, both directors of Salford City !!
All we need now is Beck's and Giggs to surface again, lock your wives in doors lads

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:02 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
Sid Bishop wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:03 pm Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes, both in the news today for the wrong reasons, both directors of Salford City !!
Sid really is back 🤣

What happened to you picking Dennis Rofe?

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:12 am
by Howling Mad Murdock
The whole Man Utd team should be arrested after last night.Criminal.

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:09 am
by Esteban
Howling Mad Murdock wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:12 am The whole Man Utd team should be arrested after last night.Criminal.
Nah. That game was always going to be Messi.

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:50 pm
by Sid Bishop
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:02 am
Sid Bishop wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:03 pm Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes, both in the news today for the wrong reasons, both directors of Salford City !!
Sid really is back 🤣

What happened to you picking Dennis Rofe?
I am Dennis Rofe on the other Leyton Orient forum.
Who were you before on the previous forum ?

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:56 pm
by Sid Bishop
Howling Mad Murdock wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:22 am Hi Sid me old mate and welcome back!
Well after all the kind messages I received ( Yourself included ) I thought.......why not !!
But I won't be around so much with the Spring and Summer around, I need to get out and away from this desktop and do some much needed work outside on my house, garden, car etc and also help friends etc with jobs where they need some help.

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:57 pm
by Howling Mad Murdock
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:56 pm
Howling Mad Murdock wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:22 am Hi Sid me old mate and welcome back!
Well after all the kind messages I received ( Yourself included ) I thought.......why not !!
But I won't be around so much with the Spring and Summer around, I need to get out and away from this desktop and do some much needed work outside on my house, garden, car etc and also help friends etc with jobs where they need some help.
Nice one young Sid. :)

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:50 pm
by Sid Bishop
Howling Mad Murdock wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:57 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:56 pm
Howling Mad Murdock wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:22 am Hi Sid me old mate and welcome back!
Well after all the kind messages I received ( Yourself included ) I thought.......why not !!
But I won't be around so much with the Spring and Summer around, I need to get out and away from this desktop and do some much needed work outside on my house, garden, car etc and also help friends etc with jobs where they need some help.
Nice one young Sid. :)
Thanks for your recent messages. I would give this one a like...but no option for that as of yet, perhaps the Forum team may add that feature later ?
Now the exciting endgame is about to happen, just wish we had strengthened the midfield area when we had the chance to, if that had happened, then promotion may well have already been secured. We have had such bad luck with injuries and suspensions at vital and important times, everytime we have got our nose in front, then something has come along to push us back again !! Oh well. let us see what happens and hope for the best !!
All to play for now and as the famous line in the poem "Vitaï Lampada" ( Henry Newbolt ) goes '' "Play up! play up! and play the game !"

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:14 pm
by Howling Mad Murdock
Yup should be clear now.This is just too tight.Just hope some team does us a favour.

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:04 pm
by tuffers#1
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:50 pm
Howling Mad Murdock wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:57 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:56 pm

Well after all the kind messages I received ( Yourself included ) I thought.......why not !!
But I won't be around so much with the Spring and Summer around, I need to get out and away from this desktop and do some much needed work outside on my house, garden, car etc and also help friends etc with jobs where they need some help.
Nice one young Sid. :)
Thanks for your recent messages. I would give this one a like...but no option for that as of yet, perhaps the Forum team may add that feature later ?
Now the exciting endgame is about to happen, just wish we had strengthened the midfield area when we had the chance to, if that had happened, then promotion may well have already been secured. We have had such bad luck with injuries and suspensions at vital and important times, everytime we have got our nose in front, then something has come along to push us back again !! Oh well. let us see what happens and hope for the best !!
All to play for now and as the famous line in the poem "Vitaï Lampada" ( Henry Newbolt ) goes '' "Play up! play up! and play the game !"
@Sid
👍

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:25 am
by Disoriented
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:50 pm
Howling Mad Murdock wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:57 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:56 pm

Well after all the kind messages I received ( Yourself included ) I thought.......why not !!
But I won't be around so much with the Spring and Summer around, I need to get out and away from this desktop and do some much needed work outside on my house, garden, car etc and also help friends etc with jobs where they need some help.
Nice one young Sid. :)
Thanks for your recent messages. I would give this one a like...but no option for that as of yet, perhaps the Forum team may add that feature later ?
Now the exciting endgame is about to happen, just wish we had strengthened the midfield area when we had the chance to, if that had happened, then promotion may well have already been secured. We have had such bad luck with injuries and suspensions at vital and important times, everytime we have got our nose in front, then something has come along to push us back again !! Oh well. let us see what happens and hope for the best !!
All to play for now and as the famous line in the poem "Vitaï Lampada" ( Henry Newbolt ) goes '' "Play up! play up! and play the game !"
Over to you ‘arry to explain why the club did not do as Sid said.

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:49 am
by Thor
Butt has not been suspended from his role even though he’s been charged. Is that the right thing to do? He’s still to be proven guilty so he should keep his job shouldn’t he? Or at least it should not be determined until a court determines if he’s innocent of guilty.

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:09 am
by spen666
Thor wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:49 am Butt has not been suspended from his role even though he’s been charged. Is that the right thing to do? He’s still to be proven guilty so he should keep his job shouldn’t he? Or at least it should not be determined until a court determines if he’s innocent of guilty.


An English court never decides if some one is innocent of guilty (whatever that means)

A defendant is never found innocent in English Law. The verdict is Not Guilty, that is a different thing to being found to be innocent. You could for example be found Not Guilty of an offence, but still be found to be liable in a related civil claim.....( OJ Simpson cases - albeit in the USA are examples of this. He was found Not Guilty of Murder in a Criminal Court, but found liable in a civil claim)

Even if Butt is found guilty of an offence related ot the incident he was arrested for, what has that got to do with his role at Salford. The criminal court will punish him for any offence he is convicted of. There is no reason for him to lose any other role unconnected with the offence

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:38 am
by Sid Bishop
Disoriented wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:25 am
Over to you ‘arry to explain why the club did not do as Sid said.
Clay came in for a lot of heavy treatment against Sutton last saturday, hope that he is fit and able in these last three crucial games. Yes it is all rather baffling as to why the problem area of central midfield has not been fully addressed by now. Surely long enough now for this problem position to have been sorted ?

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:48 am
by Thor
spen666 wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:09 am
Thor wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:49 am Butt has not been suspended from his role even though he’s been charged. Is that the right thing to do? He’s still to be proven guilty so he should keep his job shouldn’t he? Or at least it should not be determined until a court determines if he’s innocent of guilty.


An English court never decides if some one is innocent of guilty (whatever that means)

A defendant is never found innocent in English Law. The verdict is Not Guilty, that is a different thing to being found to be innocent. You could for example be found Not Guilty of an offence, but still be found to be liable in a related civil claim.....( OJ Simpson cases - albeit in the USA are examples of this. He was found Not Guilty of Murder in a Criminal Court, but found liable in a civil claim)

Even if Butt is found guilty of an offence related ot the incident he was arrested for, what has that got to do with his role at Salford. The criminal court will punish him for any offence he is convicted of. There is no reason for him to lose any other role unconnected with the offence
His role at Man Utd is head of the academy so yes it probably should have a bearing on he's suitability to be in charge of children.

Re: Nicky Butt Arested

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:43 am
by spen666
Thor wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:48 am ....

His role at Man Utd is head of the academy so yes it probably should have a bearing on he's suitability to be in charge of children.

Why?

Firstly, as head of Academy is he actually involved with the kids ie coaching etc or is it a head as in running the business.

Secondly and most importantly there is no suggestion this allegation has anything to do with children. It is alleged to be a domestic incident.


The simple fact someone has committed an offence is not on its own good reason to dismiss someone from their unrelated role