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#1 Do away with prisons

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... c-services

What planet do these do gooders live on?

Oh, I’ve lost track of how many people whose all-round politics I like have taken enthusiastically to the “no prisons/no borders” thing

Strikes me as totally emblematic of existing in relative safety and never actually encountering the situations or circumstances that result in prison as a proportionate outcome.

Similar to the “defund the police” thing, the search for a slogan and an idealistic goal that’ll alienate outsiders seems designed to reinforce polarisation

She’s talking absolute rubbish in that article, and approaching things from the wrong angle totally.

In fact, I’m willing to bet that the public (who she says want more prisons and have a big appetite for locking people up) actually support a policy of not sending people to prison for non-violent and/or minor crimes.

Are the T*ries trying to raise funds by selling off HMP ?

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:35 am She’s talking absolute rubbish in that article, and approaching things from the wrong angle totally.

In fact, I’m willing to bet that the public (who she says want more prisons and have a big appetite for locking people up) actually support a policy of not sending people to prison for non-violent and/or minor crimes.

Mibees aye, mibees naw. I believe that if the public understood the utter futility of prison there would be a large majority in favour of not locking people up. That is not to say there are some who need to be behind bars for the protection of the community.

Things like violence reduction initiatives by the police and community also prevent offending and reoffending. However, they are labour intensive highly skilled programmes and therefore expensive.

Yeah, I see what you’re saying - and yes, I am with you in terms of exploring alternatives when we’re looking at rehabilitation or changing circumstances in which people gravitate towards crime.
But the issue (as with defund the police) is that the simple slogans get in the way of thrashing out nuance, and provide easy fodder for the opposition.

Btw: check out the thread where we’ve clashed. The thing that’s just happened is what I’ve been calling for, so I’m interested in your thoughts…

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:02 pm Yeah, I see what you’re saying - and yes, I am with you in terms of exploring alternatives when we’re looking at rehabilitation or changing circumstances in which people gravitate towards crime.
But the issue (as with defund the police) is that the simple slogans get in the way of thrashing out nuance, and provide easy fodder for the opposition.

Btw: check out the thread where we’ve clashed. The thing that’s just happened is what I’ve been calling for, so I’m interested in your thoughts…

Oh oh!

Don’t know what you’re worried about - it turned out that you don’t have any thoughts.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/j ... be-careful

Matilda the musical is traumatic

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:14 pm https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/j ... be-careful

Matilda the musical is traumatic

The film was enough for me. That Mrs Crunchballs was well scarey.

I thought old Roald had been cancelled for being an anti-Semite anyway?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:14 pm https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/j ... be-careful

Matilda the musical is traumatic

Obvious clickbait article by an "anonymous" author. Next they'll be claiming that films such as Aliens normalises xenophobia and racism.

From the figures in that article and the estimated population of the UK at end of 2021, there is 0.00122 of the UK population in prison. I'm all for locking up the bad 'uns and also for topping those who commit certain types of murder, but as I've got older (and hearing from who Mrs NES had a spell of her careers working to rehabilitate women in prison) I've got to see the Norwegian ideas of rehabilitation have huge merit. The worst stat regarding prisons IMO, is that 70%+ of women in prison are for drug-related offences (Mrs NES' figure from her work). We should spend more on rehabilitation, IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/ ... lgbtq-fans

Is it OK to speculate about Taylor Swift’s sexuality? Sort of no, but also sort of yes, because of reasons… what reasons? Must dash! Game day!

Using op-eds from writers from abroad whose names have humorous connotations in the UK. (Had to check it's not one of those "Guardian headline generators" thingies)

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:14 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:14 pm https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/j ... be-careful

Matilda the musical is traumatic

The film was enough for me. That Mrs Crunchballs was well scarey.

Has Max Dissapeared ?

Joe315 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:16 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:14 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:14 pm https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/j ... be-careful

Matilda the musical is traumatic

The film was enough for me. That Mrs Crunchballs was well scarey.

Has Max Dissapeared ?

He's still around, like Tuffers, just under a different name.

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:20 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:16 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:14 pm

The film was enough for me. That Mrs Crunchballs was well scarey.

Has Max Dissapeared ?

He's still around, like Tuffers, just under a different name.

And who are they then ?

Please bring proof of who they are.

Joe315 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:16 pm Has Max Dissapeared ?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:55 pm Has RW dissapeared ?

You make it too easy...(even got the same space after the "d" and before the "?")

viewtopic.php?p=355752#p355752

It's not proof but, as I said, people can draw their own conclusions.

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:47 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:16 pm Has Max Dissapeared ?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:55 pm Has RW dissapeared ?

You make it too easy...(even got the same space after the "d" and before the "?")

viewtopic.php?p=355752#p355752

It's not proof but, as I said, people can draw their own conclusions.

F#ck me that's the flimsiest evidence I've ever seen
A space after a question mark .

Ludicrous.

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:47 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:16 pm Has Max Dissapeared ?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:55 pm Has RW dissapeared ?

You make it too easy...(even got the same space after the "d" and before the "?")

viewtopic.php?p=355752#p355752

It's not proof but, as I said, people can draw their own conclusions.

Great spot.

Impossible to deny now.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:59 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:47 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:16 pm Has Max Dissapeared ?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:55 pm Has RW dissapeared ?

You make it too easy...(even got the same space after the "d" and before the "?")

viewtopic.php?p=355752#p355752

It's not proof but, as I said, people can draw their own conclusions.

Great spot.

Impossible to deny now.

Easy to deny
Impossible to prove as I am NOT Tuffers.

Some real goons on here.

Same misspelling of “disappeared”, too.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:14 pm https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/j ... be-careful

Matilda the musical is traumatic

Most tv and films have something that will trigger someone. This thing about warnings before programmes is getting silly. My Mrs watches the soaps and most nights there is a warning for people who may be upset by certain scenes.