Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Its a new low, when the party that lied and lied, wins over the party that was truthful.
The only mitigating thing was people who wanted Britain out of the EU, were determined to vote for it, despite all the lies.
I hope thats the reason, and not that lying is now acceptable

Jezza is too honest for his own good. Hopefully whoever comes next will be more liberal with the truth. It's the only way.

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:27 am

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:24 am For any of the hard of thinking who haven’t noticed the increase in ‘misinformation’:

https://fullfact.org/blog/2019/dec/gene ... t-checked/

You believe this type of stuff is new. We are just better at highlighting it.

.. is exactly the line taken by the mostly lying right. If they can sell the big lie that "all politicians lie, they're all the same etc etc" then they are successfully hiding the fact that Trump, Bojo and their ilk lie without embarrassment, without fear of being taken to task for it, and at a level never before seen. It would probably be more appropriate to comment when Trump or Bojo tell the truth but don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

One thing the Tories told the truth about was that Corbyn was leading us to electoral suicide

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:57 pm One thing the Tories told the truth about was that Corbyn was leading us to electoral suicide

aint that the truth.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:57 pm One thing the Tories told the truth about was that Corbyn was leading us to electoral suicide

OK - that's truth number one.

I firmly believe that we took the hit prior to the 2017 election.

Who knows whether we would have won in 2017; had there not been a raft of disloyal Labour M.P.'s, basically stabbing Corbyn in the back and forcing a pointless Leadership re-election the year previous. The MSM seized upon this and spun the divided party angle for the next year. Despite the smears, Corbyn's Labour achieved a 40% vote (just below Blair's 41% landslide in 2001). Instead of collectively using the time to annihilate the utterly useless Theresa May, we were involved in a pointless internal war. That took the headlines instead.

The reason we lost in 2017 was not due to Corbyn. That responsibility lies firmly at the door of the traitors within. Tom Watson, Chuka Umunna, Jess Phillips & Co. take a bow.

From thereon in, the MSM were even more relentless against Corbyn; taking no risks, they were persistent with the overly-hyped 'anti-semitism' angle, etc. Never in my lifetime, have I witnessed any political figure being so character-assassinated by the media on a daily basis. Unfortunately, thanks to a predominantly tory-loving media, the knuckle-dragging automatons believed their lies and smears.

Bringing this back on track (as it is a tory party thread) I despair at the present incumbent of Number 10. I truly feel embarrassed being British; and having this incompetent specimen as the leader of my Country. A proven liar, charlatan and philanderer; who people are seemingly far too blinkered to see through.

"Truth will out".

I personally can't wait until it does.

Seats won not vote percentage is the markerof success in this system sadly. Especially when the country is so polarised. And Corbyn got the least for 84 years

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:50 am I firmly we were took the hit prior to the 2017 election.

Who knows whether we would have won in 2017; had there not been a raft of disloyal Labour M.P.'s, basically stabbing Corbyn in the back and forcing a pointless Leadership re-election the year previous. The MSM seized upon this and spun the divided party angle for the next year. Despite the smears, Corbyn's Labour achieved a 40% vote (just below Blair's 41% landslide in 2001). Instead of collectively using the time annihilate the utterly useless Theresa May, we were involved in a pointless internal war. That took the headlines instrad.

The reason we lost in 2017 was not due to Corbyn. That responsibility lies firmly at the door of the traitors within. Tom Watson, Chuka Umunna, Jess Phillips & Co. take a bow.

From thereon in, the MSM were even more relentless against Corbyn; taking no risks, they were persistent with the overly-hyped 'anti-semitism' angle, etc. Never in my lifetime, have I witnessed any political figure being so character-assassinated by the media on a daily basis. Unfortunately, thanks to a predominantly tory-loving media, the knuckle-dragging automatons believed their lies and smears.

Bringing this back on track (as it is a tory party thread) I despair at the present incumbent of Number 10. I truly feel embarrassed being British; and having this incompetent specimen as the leader of my Country. A proven liar, charlatan and philanderer; who people are seemingly far too blinkered to see through.

"Truth will out".

I personally can't wait until it does.

What absolute revisionist tripe. The onset of the new Blairite, Starmer, will help lead us out of the abyss that ‘the traitors’ warned us against.

A Keir leading the Labour Party again - just what we need.

As long as it isn't Nandy, I can live with that.

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:14 am As long as it isn't Nandy, I can live with that.

I think she will come a distant third fella.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:16 pm

Redline wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:27 am

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:24 am For any of the hard of thinking who haven’t noticed the increase in ‘misinformation’:

https://fullfact.org/blog/2019/dec/gene ... t-checked/

You believe this type of stuff is new. We are just better at highlighting it.

.. is exactly the line taken by the mostly lying right. If they can sell the big lie that "all politicians lie, they're all the same etc etc" then they are successfully hiding the fact that Trump, Bojo and their ilk lie without embarrassment, without fear of being taken to task for it, and at a level never before seen. It would probably be more appropriate to comment when Trump or Bojo tell the truth but don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

Perfectly explained.

That way, when a genuine, decent, honest politician comes to the public's attention, they don't know what to make of it.

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:50 am I firmly we were took the hit prior to the 2017 election.

Who knows whether we would have won in 2017; had there not been a raft of disloyal Labour M.P.'s, basically stabbing Corbyn in the back and forcing a pointless Leadership re-election the year previous. The MSM seized upon this and spun the divided party angle for the next year. Despite the smears, Corbyn's Labour achieved a 40% vote (just below Blair's 41% landslide in 2001). Instead of collectively using the time annihilate the utterly useless Theresa May, we were involved in a pointless internal war. That took the headlines instead.

The reason we lost in 2017 was not due to Corbyn. That responsibility lies firmly at the door of the traitors within. Tom Watson, Chuka Umunna, Jess Phillips & Co. take a bow.

From thereon in, the MSM were even more relentless against Corbyn; taking no risks, they were persistent with the overly-hyped 'anti-semitism' angle, etc. Never in my lifetime, have I witnessed any political figure being so character-assassinated by the media on a daily basis. Unfortunately, thanks to a predominantly tory-loving media, the knuckle-dragging automatons believed their lies and smears.

Bringing this back on track (as it is a tory party thread) I despair at the present incumbent of Number 10. I truly feel embarrassed being British; and having this incompetent specimen as the leader of my Country. A proven liar, charlatan and philanderer; who people are seemingly far too blinkered to see through.

"Truth will out".

I personally can't wait until it does.

Again, perfectly put.

Those on the far right of the Labour party would rather have a Tory government than a socialist Labour government.

Bas Pity Patel resigned yet ?

The Bully & staff abuser needs to go now

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 am Bas Pity Patel resigned yet ?

The Bully & staff abuser needs to go now

Why? She sounds like the perfect Tory minister.

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:06 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 am Bas Pity Patel resigned yet ?

The Bully & staff abuser needs to go now

Why? She sounds like the perfect Tory minister.

Maybe good for thw Story party, but not what is needed
in the running of the country.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 am Bas Pity Patel resigned yet ?

The Bully & staff abuser needs to go now

I wonder why she is being picked on?

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:47 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 am Bas Pity Patel resigned yet ?

The Bully & staff abuser needs to go now

I wonder why she is being picked on?

Because she is a Tory Bully.

I have to say i admired Sajid Javed resigning as a mark of respect to his team.

Shows there are SOME tories left with morals.

Just so you know its not a racist thing Toryboy

Who is in charge these days? Hard to keep up.
Has Cummings got the gig yet?

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:48 pm Who is in charge these days? Hard to keep up.
Has Cummings got the gig yet?

Apparently Rasputin is out too. I'd say with all these chances out, the UK now has more effective governance.

RoryRocks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:09 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:48 pm Who is in charge these days? Hard to keep up.
Has Cummings got the gig yet?

Apparently Rasputin is out too. I'd say with all these chances out, the UK now has more effective governance.

Very true Rory and a kinder way to potentially dispense of his services than the original Rasputin received.

Home Secretary Priti Patel said doctors, nurses and paramedics whose visas were due to run out before 1 October would be given the 12-month extension free of charge so they could “focus fully on combatting coronavirus and saving lives”.

Such generosity.

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:37 pm Home Secretary Priti Patel said doctors, nurses and paramedics whose visas were due to run out before 1 October would be given the 12-month extension free of charge so they could “focus fully on combatting coronavirus and saving lives”.

Such generosity.

Indeed, so basically she's saying "here's an opportunity for you to put your life at risk for us, we'll be very grateful, but we'll still kick you out in 12 months time" - enjoy.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:42 pm

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:37 pm Home Secretary Priti Patel said doctors, nurses and paramedics whose visas were due to run out before 1 October would be given the 12-month extension free of charge so they could “focus fully on combatting coronavirus and saving lives”.

Such generosity.

Indeed, so basically she's saying "here's an opportunity for you to put your life at risk for us, we'll be very grateful, but we'll still kick you out in 12 months time" - enjoy.

Disgusting.

Sums up our country perfectly.

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:47 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 am Bas Pity Patel resigned yet ?

The Bully & staff abuser needs to go now

I wonder why she is being picked on?

Becuase she's a bully. Not to mention smug. And a liar. And a crook. And bit of an all round cnut, generally.

That'll be why, Thor.